You guys are right

[JB31]

@nirgrahamUK

@Jacob Bloom

Yes, you should probably start your own region and if it works, people will join you. Do not explicate, demonstrate.

this is the advice you would give your elderly gran? if she is being mugged, well she doesnt want to be mugged, so she should of course, not be mugged!

silly granny letting the muggers that are mugging her mug her. she shouldnt ! silly silly.

Are you an old woman now? Not capable of choosing another course? And yeah, I’d teach my grandmother to think about where she’s walking before she goes out. That’s basic self defense.

[Spideynw]

@Jacob Bloom

@Spideynw

Society can still function if taxation is legal. The problem is, why should taxation be legal? One person may say, “so I can legally steal from others”. And the retort would be, “but then you could be legally stolen from as well”. At which time the other person would probably say, “oh, yeah, I don’t want that”.

I agree with you though that it is not about morality, but logic.

Alright, let’s insert taxation where rape used to be…some people think taxes are alright. It doesn’t fit.

Here you go…

[JB31]

@Anarchist Cain

@Jacob Bloom

You don’t understand, some people are perfectly ok with being taxed.

No you don’t understand, if morons want to pay taxes on an actual voluntary basis then there is no one in this forum who is going to coerce them to do otherwise. Those who don’t want to pay should not have to.

But they think you should too or that you should go to jail. Or leave the country.

[JB31]

@Spideynw

@Jacob Bloom

@Spideynw

Society can still function if taxation is legal. The problem is, why should taxation be legal? One person may say, “so I can legally steal from others”. And the retort would be, “but then you could be legally stolen from as well”. At which time the other person would probably say, “oh, yeah, I don’t want that”.

I agree with you though that it is not about morality, but logic.

Alright, let’s insert taxation where rape used to be…some people think taxes are alright. It doesn’t fit.

Here you go…

I know plenty of my family is totally ok with paying taxes. In fact, some of them think taxes should go up!

[nirgrahamUK]

@Jacob Bloom

But they think you should too or that you should go to jail. Or leave the country.

f-them , and f you too slaver bloom.

(self-censored to not offend those who hold moderators to ‘high standards’)

[Laughing_Man]

@Jacob Bloom

But they think you should too or that you should go to jail.

They have no right to make such decisions concerning my property

@Jacob Bloom

Or leave the country.

Yet again they have no claim over my property so I need not go anywhere.

[JB31]

@nirgrahamUK

@Jacob Bloom

But they think you should too or that you should go to jail. Or leave the country.

f-them , and f you too slaver bloom.

(self-censored to not offend those who hold moderators to ‘high standards’)

lol. At least you’re a moderator with a sense of humor.

[nirgrahamUK]

don’t forget anarchist cain, they are powerful!!!

(patented bloom wisdom)

[JB31]

@Anarchist Cain

@Jacob Bloom

But they think you should too or that you should go to jail.

They have no right to make such decisions concerning my property

@Jacob Bloom

Or leave the country.

Yet again they have no claim over my property so I need not go anywhere.

They don’t need a right. They can take it from you anyways. And they will. They do. I know.

They do have a claim which you obviously pay. Either that or you’re going to take the risk of not paying your taxes. Which is up to you.

[nirgrahamUK]

so how does that prove anarchy is impossible? m-n

[JB31]

@nirgrahamUK

don’t forget anarchist cain, they are powerful!!!

(patented bloom wisdom)

He’s right. They’re powerful. We need a good argument to give US power. My argument is that it’s not in their interests. You say they have no right.

Never appeal to a man’s better nature for he may not have one, it is much wiser to appeal to his self interest.

[luckylad33]

@Jacob Bloom

@Eric

@Jacob Bloom

First of all, i have tons of empathy, no sympathy though. No pity, guilt, remorse or regret (well, sometimes i feel regret)

So you admit to being a psychopath?

No. Psychopaths lack empathy, not necessarily sympathy. In fact, psychopaths are more likely to feel sympathy, because they tend to be violent and desire to feel superiority over others.

They cannot relate to others or understand the decisions they make. They frequently cannot interact socially at all because social cues are lost on them. They do not understand others at all. Sympathy is something totally different. It’s a selfish feeling. A feeling of superiority. Empathy is putting yourself in someone else’s shoes. I’m very good at that. Sympathy is assuming someone else’s shoes are unfairly weighted before even trying to put them on. I don’t pretend to pity people. I would never do them or myself that disservice. Once you come to understand someone, usually it’s easy to see why their life is what it is. Empathy allows me to see personal responsibility. Sympathy would deny me that ability.

You should probably read up on psychopathy before you start throwing the word around.

Psychopaths lack any sense of guilt for any harm they may cause to others. I wasn’t even talking about empathy.

[JB31]

@nirgrahamUK

so how does that prove anarchy is impossible? m-n

Not impossible, just improbable given that you have no way to protect you from them. Obviously, the natural rights argument isn’t working.

[nirgrahamUK]

your argument : argument is that it’s not in their interests. unless we are talking of law and order

my argument : argument is that it’s not in their interests. and they have no right and law is no exception

[nirgrahamUK]

@Jacob Bloom

Not impossible, just improbable given that you have no way to protect you from them. Obviously, the natural rights argument isn’t working.

so too is limited gov improbable. so shut the hell up.

[Laughing_Man]

@nirgrahamUK

don’t forget anarchist cain, they are powerful!!!

(patented bloom wisdom)

‘The first committee-man that comes to rob me of my tea, or my wine, or molasses, shall feel the weight of my arm; and should you [ Hamilton ] be the man, however lightly you may think of it, a stroke of my cudgel would make you reel, notwithstanding the thickness of your skull.’

-Samuel Seabury.

While I don’t agree with his political ideals, Seabury sums up my sentiment here.

[JB31]

@Eric

Psychopaths lack any sense of guilt for any harm they may cause to others. I wasn’t even talking about empathy.

The only way you can feel guilt is if you believe that your actions were wrong. I don’t believe in right and wrong, I believe in necessary and unnecessary. My actions are always necessary, I think very carefully about the choices I make. I don’t feel guilt because I am always sure that what I did was right for me. Other people are not my responsibility, I am my responsibility. I occasionally feel regret when I realize my actions weren’t necessary. That’s about it.

[Harry_Felker]

@Jacob Bloom

@Harry Felker

@Jacob Bloom

@Spideynw

Society can still function if rape is legal. The problem is, why should rape be legal? A rapist may say, “so I can legally rape others”. And the retort would be, “but then you could be legally raped as well”. At which time the rapist would probably say, “oh, yeah, I don’t want that”.

I agree with you though that it is not about morality, but logic.

Alright, let’s insert taxation where rape used to be…some people think taxes are alright. It doesn’t fit.

::Raises Hand:: I know the issue…

THE GOVERNMENT DOES NOT PAY TAXES J*&^@$, the incentive to not tax is not there…

And no I am not talking about random IRS issue from before office, the office itself is a tax exempt position…

But if some people think taxation is a good idea and some think it bad, it doesn’t have the unanimous decision against it that murder and theft and rape do.

Those are not unanimous decisions, ask the murderer, the thief and the rapist…

If you exclude these people from the fate of their desired transgression of others, I am sure they would assume the illegality of their actions should come into question…

A multitude of people do not pay taxes, and and have a say, a multitude pay less in taxes and have a say…

Let us put the test out there…

If you give a murderer free reign to murder, but they have to endure a non fatal knife wound (pay less taxes) or just have the freedom to do such (no taxes) are they likely to say sure let me murder others?

Without exception people who make their money through criminal “Hits” would agree, immunity is worth a non fatal wound every now and again…

If you give a rapist the free reign to rape, but they have to endure a little forced penetration, lets say a small object (pay less taxes) or just have the freedom to do such (no taxes) are they more likely to say sure let me rape others?

To fulfill the need for dominance that rape gives the rapist without retaliation, without punishment, or a little small object penetration, is a small price to pay, I am sure they would go for it…

If you give a thief the free reign to steal, but they have to pay tribute to a higher theif (pay less taxes) or just have the freedom to do such (no taxes) are they more likely to say sure let me steal from others?

The poor, the off-books workers and the government do this now, through taxation…

You do not have unanimity to back you up…

[JB31]

@nirgrahamUK

your argument : argument is that it’s not in their interests. unless we are talking of law and order

my argument : argument is that it’s not in their interests. and they have no right and law is no exception

Yes, I think we can convince people that it’s in their interests to have a free market, not a privatized system of force. I can’t convince anyone of that. You can’t even convince me that and I’m like right at the border of being in line with your philosophy.

[nirgrahamUK]

@Anarchist Cain

‘The first committee-man that comes to rob me of my tea, or my wine, or molasses, shall feel the weight of my arm; and should you [ Hamilton ] be the man, however lightly you may think of it, a stroke of my cudgel would make you reel, notwithstanding the thickness of your skull.’

use of the word notwithstanding is a good heuristic for quality of quote i find…