What would that be, I’m curious.
Nice example of circular logic, eh ? Btw, do you realize that even your lackey, sorry! your friend LS is not with you on this one ?
What’s MTM ? “M” as in most. “T” as in trolling. “M” as in member.
How so?
Do you realise that I don’t care?
Of course, trolling in this sense means disagreeing with Juan.
I’m not. Any reason you’ve decided to ignore the nature of the state?
I’m not, I agree the state is a criminal enteprise, I also agree that the state should be abolished. I just don’t agree that we can walk into a hospital and help ourselves to as much morphine as we wish.
I’m not, I agree the state is a criminal enteprise, I also agree that the state should be abolished. I just don’t agree that we can walk into a hospital and help ourselves to as much morphine as we wish.
And that has what to do with what now? Really: non sequiturs and strawmen are best left to the imbeciles.
Really: non sequiturs and strawmen are best left to the imbeciles.
The argument was neither, but I’ll take that as a compliment.
It was both, and you should take it as an insult.
sirmonty: GilesStratton:Brainpolice:
Treating the state as if it was a legitimate private property owner is ridiculous and not consistant as a libertarian view. It just sneaks legitimacy in through the back door and justifies completely arbitrary decision-making power over others.
What seperates the state from a common thief?
Only the guise of legitimacy.
Correct, now BP has to explain why a common thief can own property and the state can’t.
The thief couldn’t own property if all of his property was illigetimately gotten, could he?
Ignore my last post, I should read the whole thread before responding to parts of it. At least 4 people said the same thing.
The thief couldn’t own property if all of his property was illigetimately gotten, could he?
No, but that isn’t the case.
Knight_of_BAAWA:
Really: non sequiturs and strawmen are best left to the imbeciles.
The argument was neither, but I’ll take that as a compliment.
It was both actually.
Non Sequitur: It does not follow that because you do not believe that the state has no claim to “its” property, that hospitals don’t have claim to their property.
Strawman: This is formed based on your non sequitur. No one is saying that you should be able to walk into hospitals and take their morphine. You’re attacking a position that no one has tried to defend.
No, but that isn’t the case.
Yes it is case. The state has no legitimate title to any of the property it claims to ‘own.’
No one is saying that you should be able to walk into hospitals and take their morphine. You’re attacking a position that no one has tried to defend.
Actually, it’s not theirs. So…I’m saying you should be able to get back the money the state stole from you. If you want to be payed in morphine so be it. Whether this practical or not is another matter.
Non Sequitur: It does not follow that because you do not believe that the state has no claim to “its” property, that hospitals don’t have claim to their property.
What do you think state hospitals are?
You’re attacking a position that no one has tried to defend.
God forbid I draw out the implications of what they’re saying, somebody may label it as a strawman.
GS:No, but that isn’t the case.
Yes it is case. The state has no legitimate title to any of the property it claims to ‘own.’
Try answering what I posted Juan.
Actually, it’s not theirs. So…I’m saying you should be able to get back the money the state stole from you. If you want to be payed in morphine so be it. Whether this practical or not is another matter.
And roads are different to morphine. So yes, I was wrong in regards to the morphine post, the roads? No.
Try answering what I posted Juan.
I’m not answering anything, just stating facts : The state owns nothing and has no authority. People obey state’s ‘rules’ in order to avoid getting shot.
What you think about roads, morphine, or anything else is rather irrelevant, since you either don’t understand the principles involved, or rather, pretend to ignore the principles when it suits you.
I’m curious, why does this suit me?
Hm, I still don’t have an answer to a variant of this argument. Let me restate the problem.
Suppose a (small) state forms voluntarily. All people bind their properties to the obligation to observe current and future laws. Everybody buying/inheriting some of that land automatically inherits that obligation. Does this mean the land under that state is permanently tainted and bound to those obligations? Sure, if everybody agreed this contract could be broken, but what if some do not agree? Would this mean it’s immoral to break the law?
I’m eager to hear your answers in this specific context.
I’m bumping this because it pertains to what Juan and GS are arguing about. If we answer this worst case, it may make things more clear.