A Short Term Plan?

My question is simple: How can I begin to get out of debt and move towards getting financially stable (and independent) in the near future? Consider the following:

Currently, I have accumulated about $12k in debt. This estimate is spread over a car loan (~$4k), a maxed credit card ($1.5k), school loans federal and private (>$6k) and some apartment evictions debt (<$1k).

Now, having run out of school loan money to support my situation at the apartment, I have been forced to end school after finishing my second quarter, and to quit my job in order to move back in with my family.

The car loan has gone to collections, and the only thing keeping it from being repossesed is my ability to continue paying the minimum through borrowing from family, while maintaining a “less than 60 days overdue” status. And yet I cannot drive the car because my license is suspended for failure to pay a ticket ($1k). I am currently unemployed, but living on a farm without transportation, my prospects for getting employed seem nonexistent.

Obviously I have followed bad examples in my life – a trend I would love to nip in the bud. I am the first person in my family to graduate high school and am the first to attend college.

Again: How can I begin to get out of debt and move towards getting financially stable (and independent) in the near future?

This isn’t a Dear Abby sort of forum. Your problem isn’t economics. It’s that you don’t make good decisions.

Not sure how much help a bunch of anarchists and under 25’s will be to you. I’m not even sure I would take life advice from this crowd. lol

its seems you need an income, looks like your car is a burden on you, since you cant drive it till you earn income, and you dont have transport to a job where you are without it and so cant earn the income to get to drive it again. how much could you make selling your car? enough to get a cheap place close to somewhere where you can take public transport to work? you arent going to get out of debt without income unless you get charity.

Seconded, you’d get more sound advice asking Hitler how to build a synagogue than you would asking folks around here how to live your life.

I’ll give you one tip, out of sympathy for your probably being very frustrated. Take it for what it is worth.

No one ever lost their shirt with their sleeves rolled up.

Seems to me you consume more than you produce. Ultimately, you need to find employment. A lot of it. 7 days a week, 12 hours day. In 6 months you can turn your life around. If you really want to.

Good luck.

You’re SOL unless you start creating an income for yourself.

If you can’t find employment, consider creating some for yourself. Don’t know what you’re farming but I do know what America’s number one cash crop is. Like Jim Rogers said,“In the future, farmers will be driving Ferraris while the bankers will be driving taxis.”

Many decent cars can be bought outright for less than $1k. If you can’t pay cash, you can’t afford it. Get rid of your current car asap even if you suffer further loss on it, e.g. owe more than it’s worth.

Once you have established income, start with the smallest debt first and start paying them off. Don’t be afraid to negotiate with them.

In the future, avoid debt inducing activities, know that if something is advertised extensively, it probably ain’t worth buying. Save/invest 20%+ of your income for a rainy day (or dry season if you’re still farming).

Best of luck.

There’s nothing you can do short of self-immolation. The system has been rigged against you. Go into bankruptcy.

edit: Correction. Max out all your credit, hide the money, then go into bankruptcy.

if this isnt economics then what is? besides, 4/5 people, including yourself gave me some advice, which is respectable considering nobody was forced to, or even to read my topic. further, i found no rules saying i cant ask for advice, and if there are any than the community disagrees with them by the very act of responding with it.

anyways i appreciate any advice you all gave. this isnt the only forum im in. many people say to ditch the car (sell if i can) and to find work fishing in alaska for several months at a time. im the type of person who’ll not just roll up his sleeves, but rip them off if it makes me a better worker. all i need is an outlet and some sound advice. obviously nobody in my sphere of locals can provide either so i think its reasonable to look among a forum of potentially intelligent people.

i will discuss in car selling forums on how to sell mine, because forums are a mode of communication and advice these days. i have a couple friends who already fish in alaska and i think i can get on with one of them if i have to.

First thing you need to do is get a real loan and pay off your credit card debt

And the way they’re inflating, your debt will be meaningless in a few years

So what exactly brought you to the Mises forum?

As others before me have said, you need to produce more income than you consume - even if that means some months of hardship while working long hours at what might be a shitty job. On the bright side though you have a college degree, which can’t hurt.

like everyone else said, get a source of income ASAP! not only will it help you pay down on debt, but if your lenders see you have a steady source of income(even if it’s really small) they will be much more flexible in working with you. remember, they stand to lose a lot of money if you default on your debt, and have every incentive to work with you(unless they’re getting bailed out by Uncle Sam), especially if they see that you have an income and all you need is time.

i know this probably isn’t the place to ask for financial info, but you get a helpin hand for coming here on the off chance you happen to read or catch a glance at any of the articles on this site :wink:

best of luck,

Sir Jeffery of Scotts

im considering ditching the car, consolidating the debt, and working in alaska for a year or more, in order to start clean.

The first thing you need to do from here on out is to make a budget.

1). Figure out how much money and income you have right now, then subtract your minimum loan/credit card payments first of all. That’s priority #1.

2). Next, you need to subtract the essential expenses. Things you have to pay, like health insurance, car insurance, necessary medications, etc. That’s priority #2. Since you’re moving in with the fam you probably won’t need to worry about things like rent, groceries, laundry, etc. (depending on your folks’ generosity).

3). Next, you need to figure out how you’re going to get from place to place to apply for jobs. Do you have a bike? You might be able to find jobs close enough to bike to and from. Even better if you can find a job within walking distance. Are there any bus routes or anything like that? You might have to find out what kind of public transportation there is. Can you get rides? If so, do they want to be paid for giving you rides? If your transportation requires money, figure out how much it’s going to cost, and subtract that from your budget. That’s priority #3.

4). Any money you have left in your budget, you must tell yourself that you are not allowed to spend any on leisure or recreation. Since you spent years living beyond your means, you must now live beneath your means. Do you have little spending habits like buying chewing gum or cigarettes or alcohol or pop or snacks or fast food? That must end today. You’d be surprised how much money gets wasted on little things like that. Are you on a cell phone plan or do you have an internet plan for your laptop or anything like that? If you can use the phones at your folks’ house, or the internet at the library or anything like that, do so–drop your phone plans/internet plans/what-have-you immediately. Any money left in your budget goes toward paying off the debt with the highest interest rates on it. That’s priority #4.

5). Once you make your budget, you need to stick to it. Have a written/printed form of it, and put it somewhere where you’ll see it. Don’t let yourself forget about it. Place it somewhere where you’ll see it every day. As you spend money throughout the week, ask yourself, “Is this something I really need? Will I die or become homeless or get taken to court or something of equivalent magnitude if I don’t spend this money?” If it’s not something you need, you are not allowed to buy it.

When you’re out job-hunting:

1). Apply EVERYWHERE. Even the jobs you don’t think will be fun. Beggars can’t be choosers, and by the sound of it, you’re a beggar.

2). Dress nice, clean yourself, stand up tall, speak clearly and audibly, look people in the eye, give them a firm handshake, smile, and thank them for their time.

3). Bring along a stack of printed resumes so that you can leave one with each of your prospective employers.

4). Ask the employers if you can do an interview right then and there. If that’s not possible, ask if you can schedule one, then write it down and be there, on time.

5). If they give you an application to fill out, don’t take it home–fill it out right there and hand it in immediately.

When you get your jobs, work your ass off:

1). During training, don’t just listen to your trainers explain things, ask if you can practice doing them yourself, so that you can get the hang of your job quickly.

2). NEVER stand around idle on the job–if you have no tasks to do, ASK your employer or co-worker what needs to be done.

3). In your mind, try to compete with and outdo your coworkers, but still of course be pleasant and friendly with them. Try to work harder, work faster, and get more done than any one else in the establishment. You’re more likely to get more hours and more raises.

4). When dealing with customers (especially if you work in a place where you get tips), take the same advice as I gave you earlier: dress nice, clean yourself, stand up tall, speak clearly and audibly, look people in the eye, always smile, and never argue with or snap at the customer, no matter how insanely rude or stupid the customer is being.

5). Never, ever, ever, be late or call in sick unless you’re contagious or deathly ill. If you have to be late for some reason, always call ahead. Failing to do so can easily cost you a job.

And, remember, most importantly and firstly, make a budget and stick to it. Scrimp and save until it hurts. As libertystudent said, you can be back on your feet in a relatively short while if you truly want to. It will be really rewarding for you once you see those credit card balances and debt figures shrinking away. Just visualize how wonderful it will be to be debt free and financially independent again. Keep that goal in mind.

would you say to ditch the car? or hang on to it as long as possible (obviously considering its expenses), considering that if/when inflation hits hardest, its $4k value will be worth much less, and thus maybe easier to pay off or sell?

and what about welfare? as much as i hate it, would you recommend getting as much of it as possible? im worried about the hidden consequences of my legal status as a person on welfare or having been on welfare recently, more than im worried about what people think about me. also, the bank who furnished my car loan says theyll make my payments as long as im on unemployment… again, im more worried about “legal status” consequences than what people think. also, getting on and staying on unemployment requires reliable transportation, another thing to consider about the catch 22 car situation (cant drive until i pay off the ticket, cant pay off the ticket until i can get a job, cant get a job until i can drive, maybe cant get on/stay on welfare until i can drive). town is 17 miles from home. i do have nice bike which i used in the city in place of my car.

It could be many years before price inflation starts to go crazy. Time is our most precious asset. Don’t waste it waiting. Consider cheaper transport like a beater car/truck, moped, scooter, or moto. Pickup trucks are great for making money with btw.

If neccessary, seek private charity before gov. welfare. Network with local churches and organizations like the Lions, JCs, Rotary, etc. You’ll likely find some honorable folks willing to give you a hand up out of your shituation.

If you go on the dole, it may affect the way you think of yourself and you may become dependent on it.

“Plans are only good intentions unless they immediately degenerate into hard work.” - Peter Drucker

bbnet gave some very wise words on the welfare issue.

As for your Catch 22, it sounds like you’re going to either A). have to solve it by ditching the car and getting something cheap (moped, scooter, etc., as bbnet advised), or B). have to solve it by hitching rides from friends/family members. Surely your family members have jobs that require them to drive into a nearby city. Ask to ride along with them, and have them drop you off, maybe even with your bike in the back seat or trunk. Then you can bike or walk around town filling out job applications. Once you get your jobs, your friends, family members, or maybe even coworkers (if they’re generous enough) will have to be your means of transportation to and from work, but make sure you always have your transportation planned out more than 48 hours in advance. One of the worst things to do is to call in late or absent from work at the last minute.

As you earn money from your new jobs, you can save enough money to pay off your ticket, then you can get your license unsuspended and start driving again.

It’s pretty sad that people today are a in a worse situation than medieval serfs. Basically what you’re saying is that he’s still fucked even if he does manage to find work, and he’s also in a death-race with his coworkers instead of being part of a team.

I hear Team Obama is hiring.

I wouldn’t call it a “death-race,” and I wouldn’t necessarily make a dichotomy between friendly competition and team-work.

But, yeah, there were a few benefits to medieval serfdom that we don’t have now.

I maintain that insurrection is his only viable option. He’ll live better in prison than in the death-race of the service economy.