Aldous Huxley - One of the worst writers ever?

There was a time when it was a trend to write on dystopias which were meant to be social commentary on the present.

We, 1984, Anthem, and many others - all of them supposed to be caveats that “This could happen to us!”

There is no doubt that in less crafty hands, the genre could produce absurd, stupid, and retarded shit disguised as poor social commentary on contrived perceptions of supposedly prevalent problems.

And so was Brave New World defecated by this miserable excuse of an author.

No doubt about it, everybody hated it when it came out. The man became a notorious joker in the literary world and every review for it was completely negative. The most common complaint was the childish prose of the book. Indeed, the man who wrote it didn’t know how to write. Isaac Asimov also wrote like a 12 year old child. But at least Asimov was engaging and you could feel the thrill of a young man cycling around strange ideas in his mind. Huxley’s writing style was not only childish and simplistic, but it was also boring and written with little enthusiasm. Most writers, be it H. L. Mencken or Kurt Vonnegut, get the reader’s interest, because they write what they think and wrote whatever they wanted. This man was more stilted and unnatural, because he was trying to affect something he was not - a great and serious social critic. Look at the way he kept repeating similar phrases over and over - he simply did not know specific and strong ways of expressing himself.

But enough about the lag in the author’s IQ - could he write something of value? No, and that’s what I wonder about. Supposedly, the only message in the story was that materialism and sexual decadence enslaves people and they end up hyper-specialized and controlled as worker beings. You know, back in 1790, they were complaining about how access to romances, novels, and plays had absorbed too much of the youth’s time and made them leisure-oriented people. Back in 1910s, they declared cinema to be an evil. And now, Aldous Huxley condemns materialistic lifestyles in general - following the trend of arbitrarily declaring lower order satisfaction as an evil, and somehow making a political message of tyranny surrounding it. It says more about Huxley than it does about the society he hates so much - that his third party preferences are superior and is for the greater good of all people.

Patrick Buchanan recently wrote an article on how abortion led to fiscal deficits in PIIGS. Buchanan’s thinking and logic is still better than Huxley’s.

But people hated it when it came out. When did it become popular? Much much later into the twentieth century. What happened? As more people got “educated”, more people came up to earning that sense of moral superiority for having different preferences. Take it on a large scale in the western world, and suddenly, you have entire football stadiums worth of people complaining about choice of entertainment in today’s world. And what better than to condemn the very materialistic and industrial civilization that ended up “educating” people like them?

That’s when resurrection of such stories happened - and people could gladly earn that moral superiority and back it up by calling consumers of mass entertainment to be sheep who are inferior to them and more easily subdued.

The problem was never Aldous Huxley.

The problem was today’s culture of imposing third-party preferences on other people. And so, many people have built the habit of justifying such notions with their ideas of the greater good, that they become politicians, academics, media personalities, and many other such people, who could then go on and manufacture consent to regulate and restrict and choose our lifestyles.

Never again, Mises.Org, must we allow our children to grow up under self-righteousness and hatred or contempt of their fellow man. They must grow up understanding that they should see why people have certain interests, and not teach them how to arbitrate other people’s preferences.

(And also gently suggest them not to touch rubbish books like this one)

Maybe I’m retarded, but I’ve read a lot of books good and bad, and I quite liked Brave New World when I read it.

Yeah I love Brave New World.

This OP is one of the worst trolls I’ve ever seen. It’s so wrong I wouldn’t know where to begin to address it, honestly.

I’d rather read about a controlled world in a book than have it occur in real life.

haha, I like this post. I thought the book was a good read but nothing else.

Huxley is all over the place with his message in Brave New World. The picture he paints of a futuristic society ends up looking arbitrary. I don’t think this is a book that should be grouped with so many other great sci-fi novels.

I didn’t care for it too much either. Read some other dystopian stuff before it and it didn’t measure up in comparison. But then I was always going to hate it as it was school reading. I kidd you not! First they feed us with all this crap to read for all those years and then they are all suddenly like “here we are going to give you some science-fiction as assigned reading for your graduation aren’t we hip”? No, you’re not, you freaking suckers of penises, you know where to shove it!

Asimov was bad too. It wasn’t after I had stopped reading him that it hit me that they were all nothing but just glorified detective stories. If I had wanted to read something as girly as that I might as well have gotten the books where they have that strange Belgian guy walk around with a cane on television. Except for the two interventionists books where they first have a guy predict human society with math and then they take steps to “make sure” a giant empire is going to be ressurected pronto after it disintegrates, because galactic empires are just great, and then another one which has a robot spread radioactive crap on Earth because you see in the long run it will help humanity.

Asimov was a humanist.

His books are consistent with humanist philosophy - that the few enlightened humanists like him know better of the greater good of all humanity.

The evil of humanism comes from its propogandist notion of seeing man as a superorganism with a collectivist purpose and surrendering hindrances like individual choice slowly towards more logical beings. Asimov famously condemned Brazillian corporations farming trees for ethanol by saying, “They do not own the forests. They are the custodians of it for the rest of the world and us. And we have a right to tell them what to do with it.”

I am just amazed how often benevolent characters in Asimov’s books put the villains under arbitrary arrest. Humanism has been nothing but the sympathetic face of absolutist thought. And many science fiction authors are humanists.

I read Brave New World for a school project. I quite liked it.

I am glad someone else sees Asimov for the campy space-communist he is. I actually enjoyed his detective stories (that is, the ones with real detectives, not robots with dumb names); but I can’t stand his outrageous idea of how to make society ‘work’. Psychohistroy, for example, was refuted before Asimov ever thought of it. It’s not just technically impossible, it’s logically impossible.

His good friend Kurt Vonnegut seemed more relaxed about these things. Vonnegut was also a humanist, but he didn’t seem as obsessed with what other people should do. He was critical of people, but accordingly understood that it only reflected as much the flaws in his own self. He never saw himself as the best judge of other people’s living.

Compare this to Asimov’s protagonists who always behave altruistically.

Murray Rothbard had these humanists figured out better than most. He knew that humanism since the days of medieval Italy was an absolutist philosophy that essentially opens the roads for amoral appropriation of power.

I still enjoy Asimov, at least as a window into the humanist mind, because it makes me realize how these utopian notions of a greater destiny for mankind have been strongly imprinted in the minds of men like Asimov and Sagan. And it also makes me realize how hidden and sheltered these “claustrophiles” like Asimov are, because they have no idea what the real world is like.

Hey! Are you talking about Hercule Poirot? I love that show! Agatha Christie was a genius!

Anyway, this thread has made me think twice about reading Asimov.

I had to read 1984 and Brave New World sophomore year of high school. I liked 1984 and thought BNW was just strange. I recently reread parts of 1984 and realized what an amazing work it is. The parts about perpetual war to maintain the health of the state are downright prophetic. We have that right now with the “War on Terror.”

I need to reread Brave New World to reformulate an opinion. All the stuff about reproductive manipulation and drugs to keep people subdued seems pretty relevant to today. My impression is that the OP is quite harsh…aren’t we lucky to have writers willing to imagine the ultimate consequences of state power, propaganda, collectivism, and central control?

It is the reason some have argued that BNW is a more prophetic work than 1984 and therefore a better book. Because where in 1984 people are kept in line with terror the people in BNW are being distracted with meaningless crap. But that doesn’t matter. 1984 is simply a better read all along the line.

Yeah, it seems to be a combination of the two in real life. Is there a book where both of these tactics are featured?

I agree, but plan to reread both to confirm this. I also need to read We. If you have read it, how does it compare to BNW and 1984 in terms of prophetic-ness and quality?

No I haven’t read We. A dystopia I really liked was The World Inside, but it was sort of less political so probably less in there to be taken in from a libertarian standpoint, but a good read as such.

Brave New World is one of the few books I started but did not finish. I didn’t hate it, but I found it utterly boring and something else must have caught my attention.

I read a review of BNW that I thought hit the nail on the head. In essence, the reviewer said that AH seemed so fascinated with the world he created that he forgot to put a story in it. We were supposed to simply be captivated by the idea for a couple hundred pages.

As for him being a terrible writer, I don’t recall his prose being bad, I just didn’t think he was much of a storyteller.

Niel Postman actually sums up pretty well why I prefer BNW to 1984, & why I think it’s ultimately the better book (aside from the fact that 1984 has been beaten to death as a “safe” choice for someone to compare the establishment to in order to sound intelligent or “radical”, just as Frued’s work has been beaten to death as an explanation to anything in pop psychology):

Brave New World was fine.

And Asimov was a member of Mensa, so he couldn’t have been too dumb. And if you believe in individualism, I don’t know how you can fault someone thinking they are smarter than other people. At the same time, Asimov criticized these organizations and the idea of IQ itself, rather than thinking he was a smartipance just because. So maybe he is more humble than your assertion than he and Huxley have low IQs.

It is my understanding that he probably used humanism similar to how Christians use Christianity. Which is popular for some scientists to substitute theological purpose (which is not even coherent always to people who believe in God, really) with some hope for a philosophical one. Rather than taking the facts of evolution to their logical extension, which is that no such purpose is necessary or should even be desirable. At the same time, not all humanists believe that human beings are a super-organism so to speak. Jean-Paul Sartre was a humanist, and he was famous for saying that existence precedes essence. And the existentialists did not believe in any such greater purpose to life. But that people dedicate themselves to finding it. I think he believed in certain goals for humanity as a pre-condition for being free, but not that any person has all kinds of things cut out for them. Which is really no different than say anarchism and the idea that ending the state is a necessary condition and a worthy goal for humanity to get behind (Sartre, if we can return to him, held this anarchist position even though he believed non-statist communism would go with it, actually). After that, there is no such need to say that humanity has certain inborn duties or whatever.

Thanks, I’ll put it on my list. I’ve heard of Silverberg, but never read anything by him.

I don’t think this takes anything away from Orwell’s achievement. I think very few people understand the extent to which Orwell’s vision can be applied to real life. There is difference between trying to sound intelligent or radical, and understanding that the perpetual war in 1984 is a frightening parallel to our own manufactured enemies and “War on Terror.”

While 1984 may be beaten to death as a “safe” choice, nothing about the book itself is safe or superficial. I think it’s great that the book is so popular, even if most people don’t see its real significance. Of the millions of people who read it, maybe a few will be really inspired to dig deeper into the nature of the state and the nature of tyranny.