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I think its easier to simply marginalize the anti-state message. The schools are there not always to promote the pro-state message, but to keep the kids away from parents who might pass on the anti-state message.
@eliotn: +1 !!!
I absolutely agree and this is why I think that reforms that are aimed at improving government education all miss the point - that compulsory government schooling does its primary job (separating kids from their parents) no matter what they are taught while at school.
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And one more footnote on that point… it’s not just a “pro-government” versus “anti-government” issue… the vast majority of parents are at least weakly pro-government. The real issue is one of feelings of attachment and tribal loyalty. The human brain evolved in a primitive environment where the faces you saw most frequently were the people you should trust (your parents, uncles, aunts, and other members of the tribe, many of whom you were related to, even if distantly). I don’t know if evolutionary psychologists have studied the development of trust in the young child but my money is behind the theory that the young child will develop feelings of loyalty to those individuals to which he is exposed most of the time (teachers, peers) and that the feelings of loyalty he otherwise would have developed towards kin are weaker - ceteris paribus - than they would have been had he not been absent from the home and placed in school.
One of the key confusions that the school pushes onto children (I know, I have two children in primary school) is why they are in school in the first place. Kids genuinely don’t know why they are in school. It would seem to me that the students of any school worth its name should at least be able to explain why they go. But the point is that schools are not actually places of learning or child care, they are indoctrination centers. If school was merely a place of learning then the reason kids would be there is because their parents want them to learn something. When asked “why do you go to school?” a child could quickly respond “because my Mom and Dad want me to learn to read and do math.” Schooling would be a service, purchased by parents on behalf of and for the benefit of their children. If they were a child-care center, they would be permitted to play in a safe environment free of pecking orders created by intermingling children from radically different socioeconomic classes.
Rather, schooling is wrapped in the superstition characteristic of all State monopolies. There is some great, cosmic reason that all children must go to school though nobody can seem to say exactly what it is.
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Have you thought about homeschooling your two kids?
They were supposed to be home-schooled. My ex- has ensured that that cannot happen. Just one illustration of how the State works hand-in-hand with private parties to push its own agenda… don’t get me started on this subject or I’ll literally never stop. You might think I tend to write long posts but I could write a bookshelf on this particular topic.
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Another reason for parents sending their kids to school is that they want their kids to learn how to socialize… with society; otherwise, they would simply homeschool. The reasoning is that the kids ought to know how to make friends and communicate and stuff. But this raises a few questions.
Why do they want their kids to learn how to socialize with other kids? For consumption–for lack of a better word–of friendship? Okay, but why send them to school; why not have them play with other homeschoolers at the park, in recreational activities, etc.? The kids don’t have to go to school for that.
Another is that the parents don’t want their kids to be socially inept as adults; that is, to not know how to communicate with coworkers, ask someone out, or simply make friends. Okay sure, if they are of the same age. But when will they learn how to communicate with their boss who will most likely be much older than them? If their only exposure to older people is their teachers, whom they hate for being boring and authoritative, then no wonder so many people nowadays hate their bosses, especially when their bosses point out their mistakes. Instead of taking the criticism and using it to improve themselves, they become defensive.
Most homeschoolers are conservative and religious. Their kids get plenty of socialization through church activities and homeschooling networks (family, friends). What’s most amazing to me is how upside-down-and-backwards the “socialization” argument is… it assumes the sterile public environment created by truancy laws! As you said, why can’t kids socialize in the park and with other neighborhood kids? There used to be this thing called unstructured play time.
Yep - I like to say that high-school is a petri dish of bad social behaviors. Of course, kids have always spread bad behaviors and bad attitudes among each other like the common cold but government school creates an ideal environment for such behaviors and attitudes to culture and flourish. The forced socio-economic de-segregation as well as other forms of de-segregation are especially dangerous to kids who are thrust into culturally ambiguous environment without the interpretive context required to adequately decode that environment. Sinister behaviors in one culture can appear innocent to kids from another culture, who stupidly imitate them. Think of saggy pants, for example.
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Thanks for the heads up, Mike.
The bootlicker mentality is utterly, thoroughly engrained here like the deepest stain clinging to each molecule of the woodwork.
I’m not trying to be overly dramatic here, but it’s starting to freak me out. Not so much the fact that these days there are ever increasing ranks of insane police officers who literally will severely beat me or kill me for the most inane perceived slight at a moment’s notice (this is to be expected of any government),
it’s that there’s millions of people who will cheer that officer on with lust. There’s some pretty fucked up masochistic, self-abusive, servile psychology that’s spreading in our culture.
That’s what scares the shit out of me.
Yeah, the comments on YT police abuse videos are what really dishearten me, far more than the videos themselves. Sure, it’s horrible that some guy got beat to pulp by a bunch of cops. But we knew that’s how cops have become from decades of hyperbolic, amped-up training and outfitting with paramilitary weaponry and the new “compliance” mentality. You watch some video of stunningly vicious brutality against obviously compliant or non-resisting individuals and the comments are like, “Yeah, that bitch got what she deserved, stupid c—” or “It’s a tough job and it’s not always easy to make the right call but I’m sure glad they go out and protect us every day”. Some videos actually attract a majority of such comments while I’ve yet to see a police brutality video that doesn’t at least have a significant minority of these kinds of comments.
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I also realize that many such comments are made by internet trolls looking to rile people up, but that just says even more about how sociopathic behavior is increasingly tolerated in a culture that claims to disdain it.
It’s a mindset I notice that reduces other people perceived as ‘inferior’ into cartoonish caricatures without any moral dimension, in order to fulfill some nameless, herd-mentality antisocial lust for schadenfreude at any cost. “Because it’s funny” “4 tha LULZ”, that kind of socially autistic ‘I was the bullied kid in school so therefore everyone must suffer for my pleasure and anyway they deserve it’ attitude (nicely fostered by the public school asylum atmosphere because many are unable to transcend their environment, and thus are unable to function without trying to rationalize it)
It brings with it an absence of apathy, a very vicious form of egotism that only respects violence and an inability to socialize with others in a way that shows respect for others’ well being.
And such antisocial behavior, a pure parody of civilized standards of governance and protection, are foisted on us, a paradox that is a consequence of the increased militarization of American civic society.
Ironically such an egotistical attitude ends up being perfect for commanding officers to shape into readily obedient assets.
I have a name for it: ‘Bitch-mind’ behavior. “I have been molded into Their Bitch. I am Their Bitch, we are all Their Bitch, and I love the pain they give me and the pain they give others. They are the Big Dogs. To emulate and please them I will try to treat everyone as My Bitch too.”
@Cortes: Yep.
“I’ve been victimized and my perpetrators got away with it. Either it was a fluke, in which case I can forget it and move on with my life as it was, or it’s endemic to the world order. In this case, the old adage “if you can’t lick 'em, join 'em” is relevant. Since this is how the world works (a pyramid of exploitation), I might as well join in the fray and at least exploit others to make up for the exploitation I’m suffering from. And who knows, maybe one day I’ll get to become a very-important-exploiter and I’ll then be in a position to exploit people who exploit people (like I’m doing right now). One day I’ll have my chance to move up the pyramid.”
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