And the State says, "jk."

Economics Political Theory
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I was considering renouncing my United States citizenship and becoming “stateless,” so I did some research.

http://travel.state.gov/law/citizenship/citizenship_776.html

This particular section is hilarious: “Also, persons who wish to renounce U.S. citizenship should also be aware that the fact that a person has renounced U.S. citizenship may have no effect whatsoever on his or her U.S. tax or military service obligations (contact the Internal Revenue Service or U.S. Selective Service for more information).”

Now, please take solace in the fact that one would not be receiving ANY rights or privileges in the United States if he renounces his citizenship. They will take away one’s… rights – if and only if he chooses to NOT be a citizen.

So now the question is this:

Do I really want to have the state take away my rights and make me pay taxes and, if ordered, serve in the military?

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You seem surprised. Just because you refuse to accept protection from the mafia doesn’t mean they will stop coming around demanding protectiong money.

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If the state let you stop paying taxes and obeying their rules by denouncing your citizenship, it might as well be a PDA.

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oh darn :slight_smile:

it was meant as a comical post with an emphasis on the irony of the last statement. i guess it wasn’t as funny as it was at 3AM (most things aren’t).

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I’m surprised they even have information about this, though not about the nature of this information. So much for citizenship and social contract theory then.

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Why would you not pay taxes? Taxation is based on income. Legal residents and them mexicans pay taxes too.

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Government cannot own land. Why would you be paying taxes if you renounce your citizenship? Do former-ACLU members have to pay dues even though theyre not members anymore? hmm Not all taxation is based on income btw

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Anyone serious about considering renouncing their citizenship should read NoState.com.

Basically, you should leave the US to renounce your citizenship. Mike @ NoState is going through the process right now.

I believe what the passage is saying, is that you can’t get out of a military obligation, or run from a tax obligation by renouncing. I don’t believe it means they can draft you, but rather than you can’t use renunciation as a means to avoid a contract for service.

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I was actually considering doing what Mike @ NoState has done maybe about a decade from now. I figure it would be easier to do this once I’ve been in NH for a while (& hopefully contribute more to the movement there aside from simply being there & managing a living), as opposed to where I am now (Maryland… sigh…). I could work on learning languages now, of course, but with my social circles (& subsequent social obligations, as well as family) & work, I barley have any time to get serious about knowing a language.

Sadly, at some point, I will probably have to say “goodbye” to my social life & friends here in order to better my own life (technology helps keeps tabs, but some friends & almost always family cannot be replaced by such means).

As for moving out of the US, I have no clue as to which country might be the “least worst” candidate, especially since the languages I’m interested in learning (Japanese & Russian) do not come from very good candidate states, lol…

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I’m thinking Liechtenstein would be an ideal candidate for some sort of European FSP.