Austrian fractional-reserve free bankers...

the fact that sound money costs something doesnt mean that it is not worth this cost.

a free market commodity standard such as gold is not unlibertarian in the least. the gold standard does not refer to a governmental standard, any more than the NAP standard of behaviour refers to a governmental standard (it doesnt)

governments favour FRB. you know this. they coopt gold standard systems and take the gold out of them, and leave them hollow shells of fiat ponzi schemes.

you need to show some adding and subtracting to justify that what you are doing is arithmatic and not handwaving

haha ha, do you charge by the joke?

Yes, and fudiciary media only, sorry.

hey, have all i can print. wait, i’ll put another 0 on it for ya before you go.

Not really. In fact, I’ve yet to see Mises mentioned in a macro textbook.

And if you went to Somalia right now and said “hold on a second guys, I need to check the level of your reserves” you’d get a spear through your face.

What is the point to this discussion? I forget.

Goldman sucks doesn’t exist. Hell, the whole universe is just a subjective illusion.

–NIR EDIT -swapped my name out for Giles. please dont confuse our names, it makes me shudder.

I’m attempting to move that discussion to a different thread.

Hey Jake, a few pages ago you seemed to suggest that full reserve deposits wouldn’t prevent bank runs. I asked you to explain how bank runs would be possible if all credit transactions were done using CDs and you never replied. Did I misunderstand your position…or maybe what you said was nonsense ?

Mises isn’t mentioned, but this concept is. Should I quote from Mankiew’s Principles of Economics?

I never suggested that. The point I made was that the argument against FRB should be that they are susceptible to bank runs in the event of a crisis. FRB does not cause runs. Also, a time-deposit regime could be susceptible to collapse due to bad loans which is the major driver of runs under FRB anyway.

You’re right, there are more reasons than that for it to labeled as efficient though.

Of course and a free market gold standard has never truly existed, you know that. Its implementation historically have been alongside government though (in most cases), many “libertarians” advocate government adoption and many don’t seem to have a problem with outlawing of FRB.

Yes, they seek control over FRB because its more are more effective form of banking, FRB has an extremely high distribution effect. Just because government can use something for evil doesn’t diminish its actual value.

The lower the reserve ration the less seniorage the government can collect. Imagine a 1 billion dollar increase in the amount of money, under a 100% reserve the government collects 1 billion in seniorage. However, in and FRB sysyem with 10% reserves the government can only collect 1/10th.

The “free bankers” are trying to explain that Mises wrote the TMC to destroy the ABCT (you know, the thing he pretty much invented), and that divergence between the natural and market rate doesn’t lead to long-term malinvestments. They have also been kind enough to show us that supporting 100% reserves means supporting the LTV, and in favor of abolishing stocks and bonds. But their biggest contribution is that gold standards (people control the money instead of the state) are unlibertarian, inefifcient, and have never been chosen by the market ever (the last 6000 years has an illusion).

Is this a serious statement?

There I’m quoting you.

its called irony. and when you lack good arguments you will generate lots of it sent in your direction.

What? I want to know if you actually think that is the argument.

Look at that, the Currency School completely ignoring the opposing argument. Thats so unusual.

Quick history lesson, no need to thank me: http://www.onlygold.com/tutorialpages/historyfs.htm

Hey you are right about something.

Are you sure you even know what the topic is about?