Austrians, what is "utility" exactly?

I believe it has the potential to change economics tremendously: rather than treating the brain as a “black box,” it can be investigated to foundationally undergird our notions of “preference,” “value,” “satisfaction,” and so on; such concepts might be more robustly developed or perhaps even abandoned.

As Colin Camerer, George Loewenstein, and Drazen Prelec state,

In what way might neuroscience contribute to economics? First, in the applied domain, neuroscience measurements have a comparative advantage when other sources of data are unreliable or biased, as is often the case with surveys and self-reports. Since neuroscientists are “asking the brain, not the person”, it is possible that direct measurements will generate more reliable indices of some variables which are important to economics (e.g., consumer confidence, and perhaps even welfare).

Second, basic neuroeconomics research will ideally be able to link hypotheses about specific brain mechanisms (location, and activation) with unobservable intermediate variables (utilities, beliefs, planning ahead), and with observable behavior (such as choices). One class of fruitful tasks is those where some theories assume choice A and choice B are made by a common mechanism, but a closer neural look might suggest otherwise. For example, a standard assumption in utility theory is that marginal rates of substitution exist across very different bundles of goods (and, as a corollary, that all goods can be priced in money terms). But some tradeoffs are simply too difficult or morally repulsive (e.g., selling a body part). Elicited preferences often vary substantially with descriptions and procedures (e.g., Ariely, Loewenstein, Prelec, 2003). Neuroscience might tell us precisely what a “difficult” choice or a “sacred preference” is, and why descriptions and procedures matter.

A third payoff from neuroscience is to suggest that economic choices which are considered different in theory are using similar brain circuitry. For example, studies cited above found that insula cortex is active when players in ultimatum games receive low offers, when people choose ambiguous gambles or money, and when people see faces of others who have cooperated with them. This suggests a possible link between these types of games and choices which would never have been suggested by current theory.

A fourth potential payoff from neuroscience is to add precision to functions and parameters in standard economic models. For example, which substances are cross-addictive is an empirical question which can guide theorizing about dynamic substitution and complementarity. A “priming dose” of cocaine enhances craving for heroin, for example (Gardner and Lowinson, 1991). Work on brain structure could add details to theories of human capital and labor market discrimination. The point is that knowing which neural mechanisms are involved tell us something about the nature of the behavior. For example, if the oxytocin hormone is released when you are trusted, and being trusted sparks reciprocation, then raising oxytocin exogeneously could increase trustworthy behavior (if the brain doesn’t adjust for the exogeneity and “undo” its effect). In another example, Lerner, Small and Loewenstein (in press) show that changing moods exogeneously changes buying and selling prices for goods. The basic point is that understanding the effects of biological and emotional processes like hormone release and moods will lead to new types of predictions about how variations in these processes affect economic behavior.

In the empirical contracts literature there is, surprisingly, no adverse selection and moral hazard in the market for automobile insurance (Chiappori et al, 2001) but plenty of moral hazard in health-care use and worker behavior. A neural explanation is that driving performance is both optimistic (everyone thinks they are an above-average driver, so poor drivers do not purchase fuller coverage) and automatic (and is therefore unaffected by whether drivers are insured) but health-care purchases and labor effort are deliberative. This suggests that “degree of automaticity” is a variable that can be usefully included in contracting models.

Will it ever be possible to create formal models of how these brain features interact? The answer is definitely “Yes”, because models already exist (e.g., Bernheim and Rangel, in press; Benhabib and Bisin, 2004; Loewenstein and O’Donoghue, 2004). A key step is to think of behavior as resulting from the interaction of a small number of neural systems—such as automatic and controlled processes, or “hot” affect and “cold” cognition, or a module that chooses and a module that interprets whether the choice signals something good or bad about underlying traits (Bodner and Prelec, 2003). While this might seem complex, keep in mind that economics is already full of multiple-system approaches. Think of supply and demand, or the interaction of a principal and an agent she hires. The ability to study these complex systems came only after decades of careful thought (and false modeling starts) and sharp honing by many smart economists. Could creating a general multiple-system model of the brain really be that much harder than doing general equilibrium theory?

Overall, due to other assumptions (e.g., more often than not, an individual knows his own interests better than others do), I would still advocate anarchism (hence, that is my primary policy).

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(http://hss.caltech.edu/~camerer/scanjecon11final.doc)”]In a strict sense, all economic activity must involve the human brain.
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Well, this should make for a fun first post…

First, it seems as if StrangeLoop is equating utility with neurochemical satisfaction. While neurochemical satisfaction strongly correlates with utility, particularly as the system in question becomes simpler, they aren’t necessarily the same thing. I suspect that utility is not quantifiable, but is predictable. Of course, just because something can be predicted doesn’t mean one presently has the means to accurately do so. To break this down bit by bit:

Well, if we approach things from a neurological concept, we must first accept that utility is a word, and that humans have a database of words in a specific area of the brain. These are linked to other areas that give a word a visual appearance in specific languages, an area for sound of the word, another area for the definition, so on. Definitions is where it starts to get more interesting in regard to this discussion. It is clear by this conversation that people have differing definitions of utility. We must then conclude that each individual has a different neurological construction that leads to the word ‘utility’. Further but still basic concepts of brain mechanics teach us that even individuals with very similar definitions of utility could have vastly different neurological constructions of ‘utility’ due to formation.

Thus, there is no one preset construction for utility unless every mind is identical. The same ‘pattern’ in a different brain with different constructs elsewhere could radically change the concept of utility. Indeed, you would likely have to make the brains identical to arrive at the same definition within the same construct. People can agree on what utility is, or at least share very similar definitions, despite having significant difference in the neural pathways involved. This is because if enough conditions are triggered that are similar, the brains in question will both lead to the word ‘utility’, or a close equivalent. However, this is just the definition of utility in question, not whether utility itself is measurable, but it leads up to an eventual point.

Let’s look at a pretty usual real life scenario: I need to go to the bank to retrieve funds. Now personally, I don’t care for going to the bank at all. Waiting in lines, tedious task, yadda yadda. If there were no greater purpose behind going to the bank I never would. I’d much rather, say, sit here and play a video game. In fact, if I played a video game instead of going to the bank, I would certainly be more neurochemically satisfied. But I also realize that by going to the bank and retrieving funds, I will eventually be able to use those funds on things that are more neurochemically satisfying than previous stated video game, such as a more satisfying video game, or nourishment when required. That is utility, at least from an Austrian perspective.

Of course, that doesn’t mean that the Austrian definition of utility is immeasurable, but rather, that the Austrian definition of utility does not equate to basic neurochemical satisfaction (but it was important to get that out of the way). We also see with this how, from an Austrian perspective, people always want what has the most utility (but not what always brings them the most satisfaction). I may very well judge the video game to have higher utility another day because I don’t need funds for another week, and in this case, what I want will be what has both the highest utility AND what brings me the most satisfaction. In the choice of going to the bank, I am in essence doing the same thing the engineered mice are doing: I’m doing what I’m wired to do (albeit on a much more complex level than the mice), even though it brings me less satisfaction. Ultimately, the way the little tidbits of my brain are structured means that I will go to the bank instead of playing the video game if my funds are out and I need funds to achieve a greater satisfaction in the future.

Perhaps, then, utility is a description of how we’re wired rather than a measurement of the wires. There is no set level of chemicals that determines utility, though set levels of chemicals will have an influence on which neurons fire and where. Likewise, there’s no set number of neurons nor neural pathways that determines utility. It ultimately comes down to the structure of the brain and the connections of all these pathways. A lesser count of an important chemical (such as dopamine) and a lesser number of neurons and pathways used may nonetheless result in something with more utility depending on which neurons and pathways are used where. The brain is an immensely complex structure and all that is dumbing things down a bit, but it holds true from what I understand about the brain. If that’s the case, then utility is not specifically measurable, but it is predictable provided you have enough information. We don’t, however, currently have the technology or tools needed to so be able to follow the microstructure of the brain in that level of detail. We can generalize, however, knowing what we do know about the role of neurochemical interaction, particularly in relatively simple constructs like the brains of mice.

However, all this does lead to an interesting conclusion for me: utility doesn’t have subjective value, either. Rather, it is something that either exists or it does not, and can only exist for one thing at a time for any one subject. Say that you’re sitting around bored. You see the TV, the computer, and a book. Now, if asked, you could probably order these from ‘greatest’ to ‘least’. Neurologically, this would come down to the chemical levels present in the brain at the time and specific neurons firing leading to different levels of neurochemical responses to the ideas of each of these (say, on a scale of 1-10, TV rates 4, book rates 7 and computer rates 10). This comes back to what StrangeLoop argues to be the measurement of utility neurochemically (using chemical readings rather than my dumbed down representation of such with the scale).

However, this is where I’m currently lead to disagree, Ultimately, only one of these has utility. The chemical levels present and the structure of the brain, taking into account that at the most basic component, the brain operates on a 1 or 0 basis (current or no current)–just like the most basic component of a computer–means that only one outcome is possible. From our conscious perspective, we have made a decision. This decision is what the structure of our brain dictated would happen. It was the only possible outcome with that input. That is what had utility. If you were to change the input, taking into account the same present chemical levels, TV could very well be chosen instead of book (even though it might have ‘rated’ higher in the previous case), because of the pathways taken with that different input. Again, only one possible conclusion. The brain followed it’s wiring in the only manner possible.

Of course, one could argue that out of two (or more) things at different times/in different situations have a different value (subjectively and/or objectively) to each other. I think for the majority of people, if they were to give thought to it now, would say on Friday that choosing to save their favorite pet llama on Thursday had more value than reading a book on Wednesday. But in both cases, the brain arrived at the only possible conclusion given the present input. And if it came down to llama vs book on Saturday, the brain would again arrive at the only possible solution for that data set (and given the right input and chemical balancing as part of that data set, the brain may arrive at book over llama even though it would’ve done the opposite on Friday).

In the end, well, I suppose you could say utility is measurable as ‘1’. But that’s sort of boring, isn’t it? And it doesn’t really tell us how people can clearly put a list of multiple variables on a scale of value that some would call subjective utility, or those that break it down to the neurochemical level would define as measurable objective utility. But if utility is a 1/0 operation as I discussed, perhaps this sort of valuation is something different than utility (‘the measure of conscious perception of the neurological process of utility’, or something overly convoluted like that).

Anyhow, keep in mind this is more of an ongoing thought process displayed in text form rather than a firmly held belief or anything scientifically valid if you care to comment on this. I do think I arrived at some interesting conclusions, however (even if they turn out to be quite easily irrefutable and become logically annihilated in short order).

Oh, and after all that:

Hi.

StrangeLoop, how do you quantify the utility of your obsession for quantifying utility?

Personally, I believe that “utility” will vanish as an explanatory concept once neuroeconomics more fully explains human decision-making. However, I do believe neuroscience currently hits closer to the mark (e.g., dopaminergic reward, modulated by learning) than the Austrian tautology. The Austrian version of economics excludes transitive preferences as a requirement of rationality: so, no matter what one chooses, it is always utility-maximizing, no matter how inconsistent the choices are; this renders the idea of revealed-preference completely unfalsifiable)

Humm, I never read any austrian claiming that the person may not regret later. Actually it’s a vital part of the proccess of discovery and knowledge that is a main focus of AE, forget about your neo-classical homo economicus.

Another reductio, if we could take a pill that would increase our neuro-utils, would we? Probably not.

In this case, again in this case, I really do not understand the hostility towards strangeloop.

Look is the basis of human action not introspection. Is the Austrian position not that deduction is possible because as humans we can look inwards and deduce that other humans also ‘act similarily’ (in terms of following prefrences, utlity etc).

Then if as humans we can make more precise concept of utility, and maybe entirely add new perspectives the…what is the problem???

Another reductio, if we could take a pill that would increase our neuro-utils, would we? Probably not.


Why not?

Apparently the editing feature for a given post is disabled after a certain amount of time.

This should now be:

How can “the size of the risk he is willing to take to get it” be measured? Really, how can the size of any risk be objectively measured?

I’m not sure what this was a response to; every economic philosophy I’ve ever encountered distinguishes ex ante and ex post.

Of course, you do also, then, draw on more natural science to conclude that humans learn.

And about measuring utility by brain producing feel-good substances is rather futile. Does dopamine make me like a Zelda game or a Zelda game makes my brain produce dopamine?

But since a lot of people would be indifferent towards a video game, we conclude:

that the game doesn’t invariable makes everybody feel good

and

that being in a certain state of mind wont necessarily make everybody enjoy the game.

And nevermind that utility easily changes with time, so I can’t understand how measuring utility with some cheap method would make any contribution to the science of economics. Loop, do you believe it will be possible to put utility in an equation? If you do, don’t you think that all the failures of those equations wouldn’t be a warn to not try to add something extremely subjective to it?

Just because everyone is a different height doesn’t mean a ruler is useless.

Fundamentally, if we concede that “behavior is caused by action in the nervous system,” then natural science can explain it through empirical means (Camerer, Loewenstein, Prelec).

But it does limit what a ruler can tell you.

Yes, but unless ordinal preferences are identical among all actors, I’m not sure how my philosophy is different than Austrians on that account.

I thought we were talking about economics, not philosophy.

It isn’t circular. It is just a definition. We refer to “what one chooses” as “one’s highest preference”, and vice versa. We don’t say that “what one chooses” causes “one’s highest preference”, or that “one’s highest preference” causes “what one chooses”, but that “what one chooses” just is “one’s highest preference”, and vice versa.

This is very important. It is at the root of some of your misunderstandings of Misesian economics.

Isn’t every definition just “created ex nihilo”?

Only if you change the definitions.

Are you aware of the distinction which Ludwig von Mises made in Theory and History of psychology into “thymology” and “psychology”? (He said that the field usually called “psychology” should be distinguished into two parts: the natural science part (which we retained the word “psychology” for), and the social science part (which he coined the word “thymology” for).)

Not even Ludwig von Mises came close to believing that.

It doesn’t matter. We can’t see into the consciousness of anybody. We can’t even see whether anybody is conscious. We can see only one thing: that, if we assume that other people are conscious, we can not only make sense of their actions, but can also predict them. It is nothing but a model. We don’t need any metaphysical ideas about whether other people are conscious; we just need to know that assuming that they are leads to being able to understand and predict their movements.

This is also extremely important.

See the section “The Alter Ego” in Human Action.