What point(s) were you trying to convey with your questions?
That child-related benefits prevent the possibility of hunger, and as such they should not be limited to 2 children.
If Duncan Smith he meant to attack those “parts of the benefits system [that] promote ‘destructive’ behavior”, I say he got it spot on. I’ve thought about private charity, and specially rich-dudes philanthropy, and I’ve come to the conclusion that the best way to help booth those in need and manage to improve the general condition of society is to give those who ask for it a lifelong pension if they agree to be sterilized. The cultural transmission of some habits through the family could be improved, especially seeing what a large part of severely anti-social behavior could result from childhood trauma administered from those who have no business having kids.
Surely, the state has no business sterilizing anyone, but if one must have a public welfare system, one might at least prevent it from being turned into an incentive to force-breed societies’ underclass.
So be it. I hope you live long enough to do that 
They prevent even the possibility of hunger (and I hope you meant starvation)? Do they also prevent hunger for the millions of starving, disease-ridden Africans who are in desperately worse positions? What if we had government benefits to the fullest extent, to the point where we provide them in every case there might be a chance of starvation. Would these “benefits” still be effective in preventing hunger/starvation?
If you say “no,” then logically you must aknowledge there is no necessary link between gov’t benefits and preveting starvation.
Why don’t you support the communist and socialist parties? Such as the SWP, SPGB and CPGB. They claim that under socialism starvation and poverty will be eradicated. Sounds good.
I have 6 options to vote for in my area; Tory, Libdem, Labour, Green, UKIP, and BNP. I don’t want communism, I want back the Labour Party as it used to be.
But even under old labour there were starving and poverty stricken families. Commies say it’s because of capitalism. They promise to completely get rid of poverty and starvation; surely that’s what you want?
Poverty maybe, but not starvation. If you want to get rid of poverty then you can do no better than lower the unemployment rate. We used to do quite well with that sort of thing. No need for communism, just a sensible mixed economy.
@Consumariat
“what difference(s) do you see between the market and government?”
The “market” is a system or environment in which companies compete and “government” simply happens to be a specific type of compnay. A company that uses force to rape, pillage, and plunder Men and Women in order to redistribute their weath. There is a mental disease called statism which appears to induce insanity creating a desire in people to do business with known rapists, theives, and murderers.
Consumariat is apparently too cowardly to offer his own answer to that question. I don’t think anyone else here should be surprised. (As you can see, Consumariat, I’m not shutting up even though you’re apparently ignoring me. Call my bluff all you want - I’m not bluffing.)
So why don’t we employ everyone to dig holes and end poverty once and for all?
/I’m done here.. You clearly are satisfied being wrong over and over. I mean this not as an insult, but it just seems overwhelmingly obvious from this thread.
Consumariat is apparently too cowardly to offer his own answer to that question. I don’t think anyone else here should be surprised. (As you can see, Consumariat, I’m not shutting up even though you’re apparently ignoring me. Call my bluff all you want - I’m not bluffing.)
My unwillingness to engage with you is merely a result of having done a cost-benefit analysis of our previous encounters. You simply are not worth it. Now, if you were serious about continuing a fruitful conversation, you would not be acting like a petulant troll.
“If only there was a constructive conversation to retreat from, Autolykos. You are an unbearable person.”
geeze…consum and auko…you guys are like an old married couple…you guys are so freakin attracted towards each others posts…even if its just for negative reasons…i wish one of you was a female and yall could just meet up and f*** each other already and get this spit/spat over with.
so much for this thread.
So why don’t we employ everyone to dig holes and end poverty once and for all?
Because it would be better to have people building homes.
/I’m done here.. You clearly are satisfied being wrong over and over. I mean this not as an insult, but it just seems overwhelmingly obvious from this thread.
If you say so, boss.
Hey, if you can’t take it, maybe you shouldn’t dish it out.
You know as well as I do that I asked you serious questions that you’ve so far refused to answer. Really, which one of us do you think is going to look worse here?
geeze…consum and auko…you guys are like an old married couple…you guys are so freakin attracted towards each others posts…even if its just for negative reasons…i wish one of you was a female and yall could just meet up and f*** each other already and get this spit/spat over with.
This one actually made me chuckle.
It’s Auto, by the way.
But this “spit/spat” won’t be over with until Consumariat opens his hermetically sealed eyes and understands just how bass-ackwards his view of the world is. Not until then. As I said before, I will call him out on his nonsense until Hell freezes over, if need be.
ANNOUNCEMENT FROM GOVERNMENT
Dear Citizens,
We admit that we really fucked many of you over last year and redistributed a lot of the monies we stole from you to our banker friends. We also acknowledge we have been fucking many of you over for decades because we like bombing brown people who don’t like taking our shit. We are sorry we had to steal millions, billions, and trillions of dollars from our fine and upstanding citizenry to do it. However because the War on Terror has become so expensive we are coming up short taking care of the kiddies. Would you please start blindly trusting us again so we can feed all of the hungry kiddies? Do it for the kiddies sakes. . .
167.9 billion pieces of mail were delivered by the USPS in 2011. My God, what would everyone do without the USPS to deliver mail? Could FedEx, UPS, and DHL pick up the slack?
What about when Walmart was delivering bottle water days before FEMA? “If the government doesn’t do it, EVERYONE WILL DIE”. Great attitude. Meanwhile, there is Welfare before the Welfare State.
He’s completely failed in his efforts here. I feel sorry for him.
You know as well as I do that I asked you serious questions that you’ve so far refused to answer. Really, which one of us do you think is going to look worse here?
Oh really? What was your answer to my first question then? A link to the Wikipedia page on ‘Scarcity’? As if that’s a great debating tactic bound to wow me. All you do is alienate the people who disagree with you by being facetious. It’s hardly any wonder that I can’t be bothered anymore.
No, actually the point behind that was to show how completely blind you are. But hey, (intellectually) blind people can rectify their blindness. They just need to understand that they’re blind first.
And in case you’re wondering, I do consider my first post in this thread to be an appropriate response to yours.