Can Government Spending Pay for Itself?

We’re all familiar with the Laffer Curve and how, in certain cases, lowering taxes can stimulate enough growth within a year that tax revenues can actually be higher than they otherwise would have been without the tax cut.

The Obama Administration is using its own spin of the derogatorily named “trickle down economics” by claiming that a spending increase will pay for itself by stimulating the economy enough that tax revenues would eventually offset the deficits. As we all know, a couple billion dollars in infrastructure, a couple billion on education, and billions more in various transfer payments to state and local governments won’t stimulate any economy.

My question, however, is whether such a spending stimulus could actually work. Could it feasibly work, as long as the government spent money on only certain projects?

One quick idea I had would be a couple billion dollar injection into the Postal Service, with the goal of actually making it profitable. As long as the government chose to make USPS profitable, it could easily “invest” a couple billion and earn a nice profit. This isn’t really what I’m looking for as an answer though. I want to know whether it is possible for a government spending increase to create enough growth in tax revenues to offset the deficit financing.

I think that any argument which argued that small government expenditure could stimulate growth (as suggested by the Rahn Curve) would find it hard to cite any real empirical evidence. I say this because economies in which <10% GDP (I actually believe that the Rhan Curve sets the maximum spending as a percentage of GDP at somewhere right above 20%, and then the growth rate begins to decline) is made by public expenditure tend to grow, and so since there are no tax-free State economies then it’s difficult to quantify whether or not government spending actually stimulated any type of growth. To be honest, however, I’m not sure on the econometrics used to argue in favor of the Rahn Curve. As far as I’ve read, the “optimal spending rate” is chosen arbitrarily. Please correct me if there is actual empirical evidence which proves the Rhan Curve to be coorect.

I’m sure the government could start a public program that was subject to profit and loss, but then that would make the government redundant, since the free market could provide that just as well. The point of government is to provide a “free” service to all of its citizens, so I’m not sure that it would be believable that the State set up some type of enterprised that mimicked the effects of a private enterprise subject to profit and loss. Take the example of USPS—its prices would not be decided by the government in terms of what is “fair” for everybody to pay (since a lot of the funding comes through taxes) and what is necessary to cover losses, but decided upon actual supply and demand, for the sake of making a profit. This would make the government irrelevant, as such a service would be provided by the free market. What the government does, supposedly, is tax in order to guarantee this service universally—in other words, it de facto monopolizes the industry (even if they allow similar private businesses to be set up, the fact that there is a “free” service usually means that private companies are crowded out, or must look to provide a service that the government business does not).

Then, it must be considered that if government was able to make a profit off some of its expenditures, then they would—at some point—have no reason to tax. Their businesses would provide enough revenue to pay for themselves, and then make some other investments. They would be like a private company. The difference is that a State must always have a monopoly on force to survive, and a monopoly on force is never cost efficient, and will always spiral out of control—unless your a State which has socialized other industries, as well, such as Europe and Canada. Inevitably, government must monopolize somethings in order to make its existence relevant, and so ultimately there is a loss of money through inefficient provision of public-goods (such as national defense and security against natural and non-natural “internal threats”). Then, I guess, the question is whether or not the government can set up a business to pay for their armed forces. And, that’s a good question. In the end, though, the fact of the matter is that the tax rate will notably decrease, as the government is paying for itself. It guarantees its existence by, as a State, signing its monopoly on government as a law, and providing all types of security by crowding out any alternatives. But, theoretically, it would still be paying for itself. But, the businesses the government would invest to would necessarily have to respond to profit and loss, and withhold from providing their goods “universally” (no matter the costs)—I think this is where it becomes implausible for a government to make a profit.

Can you clarify on the kind of spending? How does the Government derive it’s source of funds? Does it tax, or print?

Well yeah, in the same way that if the government paid someone to dig holes in the ground they could strike a massive amount of coal or gold (or any other natural resource) and thereby benefit the economy. The problem is that this is just a hypothetical situation designed to portray government intervention in a positive light. Yes, government spending could be profitable, but in reality the government lacks the correct incentives to make this anything more than a useless hypothetical.

The question isn’t whether the government can make a profitable investment in the normal sense. Obviously, any organization can make a profitable investment and earn interest on that.

The question is whether or not some form of government spending can create enough economic growth so that the tax revenues created by that additional growth would offset the spending and “pay for itself.”

The problem is that every form of government spending is simply taking away resources from market actors like entrepreneurs, who would create economic growth.

It doesn’t matter.

Matters a lot. Because you wanna just know if the revenues exceed spending.

While a direct tax to fund spending will be very tough to cover(due to deadweight losses); inflating money supply(masked taxation) and keeping tax rates low can write off the nominal losses of firms and get them back on feet again. And obviously that will be good for tax revenues of the government.

You are seriously considering whether or not the USPS , a “business” that relies 100% on forced contributions to stay “in business”, can be made “profitable” by the injection of even more stolen money?

Little wonder you are seriously considering whether or not other parts of the governments never ending shell game [i.e. {1} take the money , {2} keep some for itself, {3} dole out what’s left to “friends” whose businesses are “profitable” as long as they receive stolen money and protection from competition ], could actually be “profitable” somehow.

Granted, its profitable for the government and assorted sycophants, but what’s new about that?

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Another problem is assessing whether this “growth” is of any value to consumers and whether it outweighs the costs imposed, which the subjectivity of value renders nigh impossible.

Exactly.

I would say “no”. “Yes” would assume that there is a certain amount of capital which is never invested, and must be invested by the government. It goes back to one of the Keynesian criticisms against Say’s Law—not all savings are invested, and so the government must spend in order to do what the private sector can’t. You also have to make the assumption that there are certain services the private second cannot provide—namely, infrastructure. Most believe that only the government can properly run a road network (despite the fact that there real-life examples of private road networks—take a trip to rural Castilla-La Mancha, Spain). I think both are false. If it is profitable, the private sector will supply the demand. There’s no reason why, at a certain point, the government is needed to maximize growth.

EDIT: This graph speaks for itself; lower government spending will result in anarchy and a loss of “collective infrastructure”.

I’m quite certain that when viewed by the the people within or closely allied to the organization with the guns and prisons and the other trappings of power, its actions are “subjectively” seen as being beneficial by all concerned, for all concerned.[:S]

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