Captialism's Chernobyl

We are all familiar that the terrible Chernobyl disaster was part and parcel of the incompetence of the command and control economy of the Soviet Union. While true, we seem to now be vitnessing a comparable disaster, caused not by incompetence, but the profit motive.

Here’s a good place to start - “This Could Become Chernobyl on Steroids” - video interview with nuclear engineer Arnie Gunderson.

If it really could be that bad, it’s worth researching further to see how this could have happened.

Here is some information on the reactors that are failing, from an article titled “Reactor Design in Japan has Long Been Questioned”

…the type of containment vessel and pressure suppression system used in the failing reactors at Japan’s Fukushima Daiichi plant is physically less robust, and it has long been thought to be more susceptible to failure in an emergency than competing designs. In the United States, 23 reactors at 16 locations use the Mark 1 design, including the Oyster Creek plant in central New Jersey, the Dresden plant near Chicago and the Monticello plant near Minneapolis.

G.E. began making the Mark 1 boiling-water reactors in the 1960s, marketing them as cheaper and easier to build – in part because they used a comparatively smaller and less expensive containment structure.

American regulators began identifying weaknesses very early on.

In 1972, Stephen H. Hanauer, then a safety official with the Atomic Energy Commission, recommended that the Mark 1 system be discontinued because it presented unacceptable safety risks. Among the concerns cited was the smaller containment design, which was more susceptible to explosion and rupture from a buildup in hydrogen – a situation that may have unfolded at the Fukushima Daiichi plant. Later that same year, Joseph Hendrie, who would later become chairman of the Nuclear Regulatory Commission, a successor agency to the atomic commission, said the idea of a ban on such systems was attractive. But the technology had been so widely accepted by the industry and regulatory officials, he said, that “reversal of this hallowed policy, particularly at this time, could well be the end of nuclear power.”

…Questions about the design escalated in the mid-1980s, when Harold Denton, an official with the Nuclear Regulatory Commission, asserted that Mark 1 reactors had a 90 percent probability of bursting should the fuel rods overheat and melt in an accident.

Industry officials disputed that assessment, saying the chance of failure was only about 10 percent…

Now that there have been three reactor explosions, we can safely conclude that the government’s estimate was superior to the industy’s.

Here’s more; “Fukushima: Mark 1 Nuclear Reactor Design Caused GE Scientist To Quit In Protest”

Thirty-five years ago, Dale G. Bridenbaugh and two of his colleagues at General Electric resigned from their jobs after becoming increasingly convinced that the nuclear reactor design they were reviewing – the Mark 1 – was so flawed it could lead to a devastating accident… (continues)

So, the reactors used are cheap-o models designed by America’s own General Electric. Still, this was a terrible disaster; could anyone have prepared for the double disaster of an earthquake and tsunami?

Consider this, from BBC reporter Greg Palast, from an article titled "Tokyo Electric to Build US Nuclear Plants****" written for his blog;

Here are the facts about Tokyo Electric and the industry you haven’t heard on CNN:

The failure of emergency systems at Japan’s nuclear plants comes as no surprise to those of us who have worked in the field.

Nuclear plants the world over must be certified for what is called “SQ” or “Seismic Qualification.” That is, the owners swear that all components are designed for the maximum conceivable shaking event, be it from an earthquake or an exploding Christmas card from Al Qaeda.

The most inexpensive way to meet your SQ is to lie. The industry does it all the time. The government team I worked with caught them once, in 1988, at the Shoreham plant in New York. Correcting the SQ problem at Shoreham would have cost a cool billion, so engineers were told to change the tests from ‘failed’ to ‘passed.’

The company that put in the false safety report? Stone & Webster, now the nuclear unit of Shaw Construction which will work with Tokyo Electric to build the Texas plant, Lord help us.

There’s more.

Last night I heard CNN reporters repeat the official line that the tsunami disabled the pumps needed to cool the reactors, implying that water unexpectedly got into the diesel generators that run the pumps.

These safety back-up systems are the ‘EDGs’ in nuke-speak: Emergency Diesel Generators. That they didn’t work in an emergency is like a fire department telling us they couldn’t save a building because “it was on fire.”

## On top of cheaply designed reactors we also must consider possible lying to regulators about seismic qualifications, and almost certainly negligence when it comes to the diesel back-up generators. Consider that the Fukushima plant was directly on the ocean, and that an intelligently designed system could have used only gravity to lower fuel rods into a sea-water chamber to prevent melt-down in an emergency, without electricity even being necessary. Was short-term profit, not prudence, the watchword at the plant?

Surely someone would have spoken up -

Here is some information from Wikileaks: “Leaked cable: Japanese lawmaker pointed to cover-up of nuclear accidents”

Taro Kono, a liberal Democrat and member of Japan’s DIET, or parliament. Kono’s father was the president of the liberal Democrats.

“[Kono] accused METI [Japan’s Ministry of Trade and the Interior] of covering up nuclear accidents, and obscuring the true costs and problems associated with the nuclear industry. He claimed MPs have a difficult time hearing the whole of the U.S. message on nuclear energy because METI picks and chooses those portions of the message that it likes. Only information in agreement with METI policies is passed through to the MPs. Elaborating on his frustrations with the ministries, Kono noted that the Diet committee staffs are made up of professional bureaucrats, and are often headed by detailees from the ministries.”…

He added that the country’s major electric interests once torpedoed a series of television interviews he was filming. The companies allegedly threatened to pull their sponsorship when he began to speak frankly about the dangers and drawbacks of nuclear energy.

Now the picture is more complete - the government seems to be in bed with the nuclear industry, to the extent that the nuclear industry is censoring news that reaches lawmakers and even a member of Parliament who is the son of a party head is so frustrated he is speaking at foreign embassies to be heard. And look specifically at what happened when he tried to speak in the privately-owned, for profit media about the issue - he was censored, because the nuclear industry threatened to withdraw sponsorship. What’s the difference between Communist media and Japan’s for-profit media? Not much, apparently, when it comes to censoring information about potential nuclear disasters.

Now look at CNBC’s Jim Cramer (owned by General Electric) assuring us that the problem in Japan is “Not a Chernobyl Situation” (if you can stomach it.)

The disaster in Japan is now classified a level six - one worse than Three Mile Island, and one less that Chernobyl… so far. Already Japanese are fleeing Tokyo and radiation increases are being reported in Russia. If things do get worse, the prevailing winds and jet stream will bring the radiation across the Ocean to the West Coast of America;

Allowing large amounts of capital to accumulate in private hands clearly sets the stage for bribery - and the ‘representative’ electoral governments seem to have little immunity to being corrupted. Lack of preventative oversight is unthinkable, especially in cases like this, where one bad actor can affect entire hemispheres. A better way must be found - one in which each person has truly equal say in matters which affect them.

where one bad actor can affect entire hemispheres

Oh, you mean a government official? Yeah, that sucks to have so much power given to a few people…

tl,dr: nuclear industry uses bad incentive structure of government regulators to avoid costly safety mechanisms.

No need for a wall of text to prove that. Title is also at best misleading, at worst intentionally deceitful.

We shall see.

Is this something that you got in an e-mail and were told to post anywhere you could?

Sorry, ravochol, but money does not buy influence in politics.

Else, Meg Whitman or Carly Fiorina would have been a governor by now.

I didn’t realize the nuclear industry was a product of capitalism.

If GE is at fault for a negligent design, surely they won’t be held liable since they have already paid your gods for their sins.

If GE didn’t have to bow to the gods perhaps they would have been forced to design a better product to earn the Nippon people’s capital.

I’m sorry, what? The NRC refused to give the evil capitalist pigs permission to build the plant, and they did it anyway? Because they’re so powerful and government is so weak, that the evil capitalists can just go ahead and do whatever they like?

Oh no, wait. The regulatory bodies all approved the plant. You’re quoting what a single “official” allegedly said thirty-odd years ago.

Yeah. It’s fairly well-known that state or international regulatory bodies make politically-informed decisions, and just have a few real experts around for decoration.

That’s like saying that allowing women to be physically attractive clearly sets the stage for rape.

It’s somehow never the government’s fault when they’re consistently corrupt.

Of course this plant wasn’t built by the free market, but if it had been, I suppose you can name who of the 39 million people in Tokyo shouldn’t have electricity, or indeed should live there at all. It’s just a statistic with socialists, isn’t it? No matter how many million have to go?

Crap. I pushed the wrong key and deleted my reply. Can’t be bother retyping it all, so this is a shorter version:

I’m no expert, but,

  • “Lowering the fuel rods into sea water” doesn’t make any sense. 1) They were already in water – clean water, that wouldn’t make essentially random activation products like sea water. 2) You have to keep pumping the water through a heat exchanger or it’ll just boil off. 3) If the pumps were running, there wouldn’t have been a problem in the first place. The EDGs failed and batteries ran out, so they couldn’t pump sea water, either. (I assume you didn’t mean to just eject the entire fuel and control rod assembly into the ocean…that might avoid the need for pumps, but it’d make a big environmental mess!)

  • If anyone with a clue really thought there was “a 10% chance the reactor would burst”, in any situation, they’d never have been built. The pressure vessel can burst without losing containment. What’s supposed to happen in a meltdown is the core falls into a graphite bed under the reactor, in a thick concrete and steel shell designed to hold the molten core material indefinitely until forced cooling can be restored.

  • There have not been “three reactor explosions”; at least two explosions were outside the reactors…only the buildings around the reactors were damaged. Which poses no danger at all. Not sure what’s going on with #3.

  • The original “radiation leakage” was just venting of steam to relieve pressure; the main radioactive material in the steam (before they started adding sea water) was nitrogen-16, which has a half-life of just over 7 seconds – i.e., it doesn’t get far. I don’t know what’s coming out now. Levels near the plant have spiked up quite high, but only for short periods (which makes me think reactor #3 is not breached). The media are reporting things like people getting “6 months worth of radiation in an hour” or whatever, trying to scare people – when I was in university, after a physics lab to measure decay rate in a radioactive sample I calculated that I’d just taken 5 years worth of radiation in an hour … and a pack-a-day smoker would still take more than I took that entire year! Someone posted a link to a Geiger counter in Tokyo; yesterday it had a brief spike to 200 counts per minute – about half what you’d measure on a transatlantic flight – currently it’s barely above normal background (which is apparently low in Tokyo; compare this map of normal background levels in the US)

In short: it’s not a good situation, but there’s no need for panic. Even less so if you’re not in Japan.

Another glaring oversight seems to be the sea wall in front of the plant itself. Judging from satelite photos, and the tsunami damage, it seems to have been designed for deflecting high seas or high tide, not a tsunami - which is bizzarre. There have been 195 recorded tsunamis in Japan.

I assume the reason is that it was cheaper therefore more profitable to build a tiny seawall.

False dichotomy. I don’t disagree with you.

"Another glaring oversight seems to be the sea wall in front of the plant itself. Judging from satelite photos, and the tsunami damage, it seems to have been designed for deflecting high seas or high tide, not a tsunami - which is bizzarre. There have been 195 recorded tsunamis in Japan. "

You can judge from satellite photos the technical purpose of the sea wall and its shortcomings? Impressive..

http://livingissues.com/2008/04/09/radiation-and-chernobyl-realities-at-last/

This isn’t Chernobyl of capitalism, this is Chernobyl of mixed economy. Because we have tried Chernobyl of socialism too, it’s time to try is there Chernobyl of Free Markets.

LOL, this is being discussed on another thread, here: https://forum.freecapitalists.org/t/japanese-nuclear-energy/18176

Seems like a pretty heavily subsidized, non-free market.

Does anyone else find it absolutely hilarious that while many free market proponents don’t think nuclear power (at least in its present and past forms) will exist in a free market, due to the huge potential liabilities (making it unprofitable), that leftists blame every nuclear incident on, well, free markets?

Honestly, it’s just pathetic. Nuclear power receives massive subsidies in every country it exists in. Just look at the Japan example above. Or look at the US with its loan guarantees and SEVERE restrictions on liability.

BTW:

Wasn’t the Chernobyl incident a result of capitalism as well, since it was during the capitalist epoch of history?

You could say the atomic bomb was the result of science as well that doesn’t make science bad.

Thanks for this info. So I really misunderstood the Price-Anderson-Act when I read the first time about it. It also is a subsidy. What else of course…

Yes. I’d like to clarify something though: Nuclear power plants could exist in a free market, but only if the costs did not exceed the benefits. Costs include the probability of a disaster occurring and the resultant liabilities that the nuclear power plant owners would owe to victims. The jist of the OP, though, is “this is a free market disaster because greedy capitalist pigs didn’t consider the damage that this could cause to others,” which is bullshit, because anyone who is as greedy as leftists make capitalists out to be will take into consideration possible natural disasters &c. that could lead to a nuclear meltdown… unless, of course, the government protects against such possibilities.