It would be, of course, compulsory insurance justified in the name of freedom.
Given that, and extending that logic, we can assume that taxes are a compulsory payment in the name of freedom, protected in this case by the government.
Because it would be illegal.
Because it would be illegal.
Don’t be so silly, why would it?
Because it would be compulsory. It would be violating the property rights of the seller and the buyer.
Only, no it wouldn’t. Since the onwer(s) would be the one stipulating the necessity of some form of insurance.
They could stipulate that I have to shit in a public shitter. It still would not matter in a stateless society. The rational law would be a law based on property rights. And they would be stomping on my rights to stipulate such a thing. As such, it would be illegal.
Well if you were on their property and a condition for being there was that you abide by their rules, and such a rule included, for instance, wiping your feet before entering, it’d absolutely be valid and not infringing on any rights; indeed, it’d be a legitimate exercise of the owner’s rights.
If it’s their property, they make the rules. Simple.
Juan was being ironic.
And no, they we can’t. Taxes are redistrubition of wealth.
He said, “I fail to see how owners of any community wouldn’t make some form of protection or insurance compulsory.” A community is made up of individuals. A neighborhood is a “community”.
So, let us say someone in a neighborhood sold me their house? How is the rest of the community going to force me to purchase some form of protection or insurance when there was no stipulation by the seller that I had to do such a thing? Or how would the community force the seller to only sell on that condition besides violating the rights of the seller to sell his property to whomever he wants?
Property owners can only make rules for their own property. A community could agree to enter into a contract that anyone who sells their property in the community must include a provision that the buyer has to buy defense insurance. But good luck getting a “community” to agree to such a thing, whatever a “community” is in your books. If it involves more than about four people, I doubt it would happen.
Aside from other solutions, other members of the community could simply not do business with you. Your standing in a community could be quite an incentive.
This of course is an option, but not a very likely one. In a community of a few million people, how are businesses going to keep track of who they do not want to do business with. And how would they find out about who is free-riding in the first place? Most businesses have an inherent stake in keeping their business transactions private.
Again, I find it highly doubtful that a “national defense” would be needed in a stateless society. A stateless society cannot have allies, as such it would not have enemies. It would do business with everyone in the world. It is pretty hard to convince a population to attack a non-threatening trading partner.
Businesses could offer discounts to those that support security. If you purchase security, you could be given a receipt or a membership card. These discounts would end up being subsidized by non-security supporters via undiscounted goods and services. So in essence, those paying for the security would be reimbursed by the free riders. If a business doesn’t offer such discounts, those with security cards would do business elsewhere.
That’s one idea.
HOAs? They can easily involve more than four. Or corporations owning apartment buildings, and so on.
So, you have an example of an HOA forcing people to provide “defense”?
Yeah, they can easily stipulate it as a condition for buying into the HOA’s property to pay for defence. Where is the problem in this? Why this issue comes up so often is beyond me, as it’s really simple.
Look Jon, I do not know why you are arguing with me.
Communities do not own property, only individuals do.
A community cannot force someone to buy defense insurance. Sure, there may be some kind of agreement before you move in, but they cannot force you to if you already live there.