Comprehensive Libertarian Pro Life Argument.

Abstract
Here I demonstrate that libertarianism is incompatible with a pro-choice stance, unless libertarians make an exception in the non-aggression principle, or else alter the definition of what a human being is.
After people have read this document, there will be no more arguments on the subject and people will take time out of their days to stand hand in hand in a circle singing “Kumbaya my lord.”

That is all.

Definitions

What is murder?
“Law . the killing of another human being under conditions specifically covered in law. In the U.S., special statutory definitions include murder committed with malice aforethought, characterized by deliberation or premeditation or occurring during the commission of another serious crime, as robbery or arson (first-degree murder), and murder by intent but without deliberation or premeditation (second-degree murder).”

What is an aggressor?
“a person, group, or nation that attacks first or initiates hostilities; an assailant or invader.”

What is an intruder?
“a person who enters a building, grounds, etc, without permission”

What is abortion?
“the removal of an embryo or fetus from the uterus in order to end a pregnancy.”

What is a embryo?
“the young of a viviparous animal, especially of a mammal, in the early stages of development within the womb, in humans up to the end of the second month.”

What is a fetus?
“(used chiefly of viviparous mammals) the young of an animal in the womb or egg, especially in the later stages of development when the body structures are in the recognizable form of its kind, in humans after the end of the second month of gestation.”

What is young?
“young offspring”

What is offspring?
“children … of a particular parent or progenitor.”

Original definition:
“child or young of a particular parent or progenitor.”
which is a circular definition, I have corrected it.

What is a child?
a person between first cell division of the embryo and full development; a boy or girl.

Original definition:
“a person between birth and full growth; a boy or girl: books for children.”
An impossible definition. If a young is a child and both a fetus and an embryo are a young, a fetus and embryo must also be a child.

Therefore, abortion, by definition, is the removal of a child from the uterus in order to end the pregnancy. The child could be in either two stages of development: An embryo, before the first two months of gestation, and a fetus, after the first two months of gestation. This expellation will almost certainly kill the child.

Opening Statement

This is an old and tired battle long fought with one side predominantly focused on the value of freedom and the other focused predominantly on the value of human life. One side arguing that pro-life is incompatible with personal freedom and the other arguing that pro-choice is incompatible with human dignity.

I hold without reservation that abortion is the premeditated murder of a human being. It should not be excused or tolerated in any society, especially a libertarian one.

Libertarians have long believed that all forms of aggression (an initiation of force.) against any human being is immoral. They have also believed that private individuals may take up cases against a murderer even though they are not the murdered.

Therefore, as a mother must aggress against the child and murder him, any person has the freedom and even an obligation, to seek justice against her.

Arguments

Isn’t the mother simply expelling an intruder?
One can only enter a place from another place. It might be argued that a child in the womb is an intruder because it brought itself outside of existence, into existence into the womb without the permission of the mother. Otherwise, the child can not be considered an intruder.

However, a child can not bring itself into existence. It is brought into existence by the mother and the father, and perhaps nature if you want to accuse it.
Further, a child in the stage of an embryo can not make any decision to intrude or aggress. Because the child has made no decision, he can not be considered either an aggressor or an intruder.
The child is completely innocent of any crime.

Since the child is completely innocent of any crime, and as it is incapable of performing any aggression, the mother must aggress against the child in order to expel the child into an environment in which it will surely die, or else to murder the child outright before expellation. In either case it is premeditated murder.

Since a child is brought into the world without its consent, why is it unjust to remove the child from the world without its consent?
Since it is considered murder to kill a person in his sleep, a fortiori, it is murder to kill a child in the womb. In either case, the person is presently unable to voice any objection to being murdered, but they are nonetheless capable of being murdered.
Since the genesis of the victim is irrelevant in any murder case, it is also irrelevant here.

Is the mother responsible for the child?
The mother has consented to to being responsible for the child when she consented to having sex with another man, regardless of her intent to have a child. It is common knowledge that no contraception is infallible, and therefore the act of sex is consenting to the fact that a child might be concieved and be her (and the fathers) responsibility, even if it is a remote possibility.

In any action a person performs, he is responsible for not only the intended results, but also the risks involved.

Is the mother responsible for the child even if she did not consent to sex?
Yes. To remain internally consistent with the non aggression principle, it must be so.

"And let it be noted that there is a problem even in cases where continued positive effort is called for in order to avoid causing harm. Let’s say I lock you in place with a gun in your hand; the hammer is cocked, held back by your thumb. If you ease the pressure, it fires and kills someone else also locked in place. Do you have the right to ease the pressure?

In another case, I’ve put you with your hand on a button. If you ease the pressure there, you cut off the current that is powering an elevator’s safe descent: the elevator will then just drop, almost certainly killing those within." -John Walker

Regardless of how you get to a point where you have every reason to believe you have life and death control over another person, you are responsible for that person or persons and the actions you take.

Isn’t a fetus only a human being once it is born? After all, the original definition of a child that you listed said that a child is only a child once he is born.
As I showed previously, it is an illogical definition.

A person is brought into being when first cell division begins. Cell division is important because it is the first time when two cells cease to exist, possessing half the DNA of the mother and half the DNA of the father, and form into one DNA sequence entirely unique to that new person. It is also the first sign of an organism with the potentiality of developing into a mature human being.

It is important to note that an embryo and fetus are not defined as children only to defend abortion. There would be no other reason to call an embryo and fetus as anything other than what they are: The early developmental stages of a human being: A child.

The fact of the matter is that I was once an embryo, you were once an embryo. We are both humans, therefore an embryo is a human. To say “I was never an embryo.” is as nonsensical as saying, “I was never a toddler.” You presently are not an embryo, but that does not therefore imply that an embryo is not human anymore than a toddler is not a human because you may not presently be a toddler.

Lastly, if we follow occam’s razor, it is a much easier explanation of human development to say that everything between a embryo to an elderly man is a single person. Trying to find the dividing line between where one organism turns from a fetus (some organism) into a baby (a person) is nigh on impossible, and it is nigh on impossible because it is one entity the entire time smoothly transitioning in its development. Just as an adult doesn’t wake up one day and turn into a elderly person, a fetus does not magically turn into a human being at some redundant demarcation point.

Isn’t an embryo a parasite? Why should a mother be forced to carry and nurture a parasite?

“But what humans, we may ask, have the right to be coercive parasites within the body of an unwilling human host?” -Murray Rothbard

Regardless of whether you want to call the embryo or fetus a parasite or a symbiotic relationship, it is an innocent human being that deserves the respect and protections of any other human being. A child is dependent on his mother for protection and sustenance and the mother has an obligation to provide it to the best of her ability until she can pass the responsibility to someone more willing or capable.

This dependence on the mother is not exclusive to a child in the womb, but extends long after the child is born. If a “parasitical” baby outside of the womb can not be discarded in a trash can to starve to death, neither should a fetus which is in no degree more “parasitical”.

In spite of all the aforementioned, could I not simply state that murder is wrong in all cases except in which humans are in the first stages of their development: embryo and fetus? After all, is it not us that define what murder is?

I can not argue against arbitrary exceptions, but I’ll warn you that exceptions to morality are the first signs of an immoral person, and is the mark of our depraved society today. I have never seen a clear justification for this exception that’s not rooted in a bigoted desire for woman to have the ability to abort at whim.

What about if the child is mentally or physically disabled so that he will always need the care of his parents? Or what if the pregnancy endangers the life of the mother?
No one is ever obligated to exchange their life for anothers. If a mother and her doctor make the decision to abort for this reason, so be it. If a doctor is caught falsifying information in order to commit an abortion, he should be prosecuted for murder.

Can abortion be forcefully stopped?
If abortion is murder, it may be treated in the same way as any other murder. Forcefully prevented, forcefully punished.

Do embryos and fetus’ have the same protections (Rights) as more developed human beings?

“Rights do not pertain to a potential, only to an actual being. A child cannot acquire any rights until it is born.” -Ayn rand

I maintain that all human beings, regardless of skin pigment, sex, development, or age all deserve the same protections as any other human being. The only reason the exception is made against the baby in the womb is to allow a mother to choose to kill her child so that she can save herself from a nine month inconvenience. That doesn’t strike me as a worthy exception to murder, and does not reflect the respect for life that is necessary for humans to govern themselves.

Further, embryos and fetus’ are not “potential beings”, they are human beings in an early stage of their development, with the potential of reaching maturity. Just as a sleeping person doesn’t lose his right to his own body because he is presently not able to make decisions for himself, a child in the womb doesn’t lose his right to his own body for the same reasons; There is every reason to suspect that the person will be able to exercise his own rights.

Don’t woman have complete authority over their own body? If so, then shouldn’t they be able to expel another person from their body at will?
If woman did have complete authority over their bodies, then the mother wouldn’t have the authority over a female in her womb. There would be some sort of divide-by-zero error and the universe would implode.
Since the universe hasn’t imploded, it’s clear that woman do not always have complete authority over their body. Just as a woman may not aggress against another person, which impedes her authority over her own body (She may not do with her body however she wishes.), a mother may not aggress against her baby inside or outside the womb.

Misc

All definitions were found at Dictionary.com

Libertarians for Life

This document is subject to numerous edits without notice.

Another senseless repetitive pro-life libertarian abortion thread.

First of all, I have to say it doesn’t matter and if someone doesn’t like it, then don’t have one. It’s not YOUR body, and everyone is the owner of their body. The fetus is not a living and breathing person who can make rational decisions. It has not stepped foot into this world, and if I want to get technical it doesn’t have to abide by our laws in this physical world if it does not fully exist in this world.

To kill time, here’s some things I saw when glancing across this:

The mother has consented to to being responsible for the child when she consented to having sex with another man, regardless of her intent to have a child. It is common knowledge that no contraception is infallible, and therefore the act of sex is consenting to the fact that a child might be concieved and be her (and the fathers) responsibility, even if it is a remote possibility.

Consent to sex =/= consent to conceiving a child.

Don’t woman have complete authority over their own body? If so, then shouldn’t they be able to expel another person from their body at will?
If woman did have complete authority over their bodies, then the mother wouldn’t have the authority over a female in her womb. There would be some sort of divide-by-zero error and the universe would implode.
Since the universe hasn’t imploded, it’s clear that woman do not always have complete authority over their body. Just as a woman may not aggress against another person, which impedes her authority over her own body (She may not do with her body however she wishes.), a mother may not aggress against her baby inside or outside the womb.

LOL. Sounds like something from Pat Robertson.

Whether or not you like abortion, it’s generally the best choice for a lot of people, who have conceived a child beyond their intentions, and now have to deal with the consequences. It’s better to let them have abortions instead of having unfit parents try to raise children and just create a bigger burden. Unless all those Bible thumping Christians want to adopt all those potentially aborted and aborted children themselves they better pipe down.

This brings us to the more complex case of abortion. For the libertarian, the “Catholic” case against abortion, even if finally rejected as invalid, cannot be dismissed out of hand. For the essence of that case — not really “Catholic” at all in a theological sense — is that abortion destroys a human life and is therefore murder, and hence cannot be condoned. More than that, if abortion is truly murder, then the Catholic — or any other person who shares this view — cannot just shrug his shoulders and say that “Catholic” views should not be imposed upon non-Catholics. Murder is not an expression of religious preference; no sect, in the name of “freedom of religion,” can or should get away with committing murder with the plea that its religion so commands. The vital question then becomes: Should abortion be considered as murder?

Most discussion of the issue bogs down in minutiae about when human life begins, when or if the fetus can be considered to be alive, etc. All this is really irrelevant to the issue of the legality (again, not necessarily the morality) of abortion. The Catholic antiabortionist, for example, declares that all that he wants for the fetus is the rights of any human being — i.e., the right not to be murdered. But there is more involved here, and this is the crucial consideration. If we are to treat the fetus as having the same rights as humans, then let us ask: What human has the right to remain, unbidden, as an unwanted parasite within some other human being’s body? This is the nub of the issue: the absolute right of every person, and hence every woman, to the ownership of her own body. What the mother is doing in an abortion is causing an unwanted entity within her body to be ejected from it: If the fetus dies, this does not rebut the point that no being has a right to live, unbidden, as a parasite within or upon some person’s body.

The common retort that the mother either originally wanted or at least was responsible for placing the fetus within her body is, again, beside the point. Even in the stronger case where the mother originally wanted the child, the mother, as the property owner in her own body, has the right to change her mind and to eject it.

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If you want to really get into it isn’t eating those animals murder? Aren’t they alive and conscious within the ability to make choices? Don’t they fit into praxeology with their actions? Don’t they just want to live and be free?

“everyone is the owner of their body.”

Everyone except the unborn, eh? Convenient

so i was in a debate with a friend about abortion and he used the example of someone pulling out the food tube of another person in analogy to a mother evicting a baby and how the former would be murder and so the latter would be as well. How are these different? obviously in the former the person who pulled out the food tube is not a slave the the person they end up killing. I guess you could argue that the the person on the food tube homesteaded/has the right to the food tube and your interference and the result of death are murder/property damage and in the case of abortion the food/care/space for the baby is already homesteaded by the mother and thus she has absolute control over her body even if the baby needs her resources to survive.

what if the woman simply removes the child without actually harming the cells of the child, does she have a positive obligation to afford it resources to survive?

you could argue that the the person on the food tube homesteaded/has the right to the food tube and your interference and the result of death are murder/property damage and in the case of abortion the food/care/space for the baby is already homesteaded by the mother and thus she has absolute control over her body even if the baby needs her resources to survive

Actually, if someone’s on a food tube, chances are they did not create the set up prior to their unfortunate condition to be on a food tube, and it’s most likely someone elses property, and they do not have to keep someone alive with and on their property. Someone can bring up the NAP in defense of the person on the food tube, but it’s costly to the provider (chances are someone is paying to keep said person on a food tube, so they’ll also be included if they choose to end services of paying, and the provider decides to stop providing). Essentially, both parties are neutral in this, and it’s neither wrong to keep one on or pull one off. It’s a perspective that affects that. (I don’t intend for that to sound cold and calculated, but I don’t want to run a point on emotion.)

As far as abortion goes the fetus may be unwanted and unintended. The said mother is not in the wrong for wanting to abort the child (“mother knows best”). It’ll be a burden on the mother to care for a child of which she does not want to care for, or cannot care for despite if she wants to, but in the end it’s her decision since she’s harboring the fetus with her body and gains nothing in return from the fetus.

Rothbard is correct. The issue hinges on whether or not the fetus is to be considered a human being. I say it is not, until some arbitrary point in the future. If we’re talking really early (the first two months or so), then I say it isn’t afforded any rights yet.

There’s nothing libertarian about the OP. Prenatal babies are in the same legal predicament as postnatal babies - they can’t speak for themselves. A disputes over a prenatal baby is not a conflict between the rights of the baby and the rights of the mother. This is why the whole abortion debate is so muddled and confused. The dispute is between the mother and whoever is attempting to advocate that the prenatal baby be delivered alive (perhaps the father, grandparents, etc.)

Clayton -

hint: unborn.

I agree with the OP and Dr. Paul on this one, including that confederalist policy is best for everything, Even though the fetus may or may not be capable of reasoning, it’s still a life, and I believe it to be separate from the mother, and thus not violating her property rights unless it’s a danger to her life.

A problem I have with a lot of pro-life people is that they’re against the non-aggression principle in all other ways (certainly planned parenthood, Adolf Hitler, Bill Clinton, Barack Obama, Al Gore, Joe Lieberman, Hillary Clinton are some of the most authoritarian and statist people and are nationally “pro-choice”), yet Dr. Paul and Napolitano are against it, so I think that a lot of people support abortion not because they’re thinking about the NAP, but because they support “equality of outcome” feminism.

After all, Napolitano and Dr. Paul are voluntaryists and they consider abortion to be violating the NAP.

Yeah, I totally agree with this. Universal rules regarding abortion create way more problems then they solve. Regardless of the status of the fetus and mother’s degree of ownership, this is a family issue and needs to be solved the way that that particular family decides upon.

sorry I wasn’t specific enough, rando (not a hospital employee or anyone associated with the hospital or individuals in the hospital) walks into hospital and pulls people foods tubes out. are they criminals for trespassing or murder?

giving someone resources that are yours such as your food and your water against your will is not a violation of property rights?

what if in the abortion it is simply a removal of the child not the vacuum blade set up that destroys the tissue of the unborn individual? how does politely asking a tresspasser to leave and then removing them in the safest way possible violate NAP?

Here’s another example. Let’s say I get my girlfriend pregnant, and we decide (we’ll, she decides, since it’s her body) to have an abortion. Would you force her (being against abortion) to carry the fetus til pregnancy 9 months later?

well, it’s not about forcing to carry the child but more about prohibiting doctors performing abortions. This two are not the same.

prohibiting doctors performing abortions

In the end controlling and banning the practice? Essentially, a service agreed between two people where they seek a benefit from the services. One person would pay the doctor, and he’d perform the abortion. Outlawing what doctors can and can’t do reminds me of those who feel they have a right to a doctors service through socialized healthcare, that they are entitled to it. You talk of some outside force banning a practice completely. This is getting very libertarian.

No one likes the idea of killing unborn people or the industry that surrounds the murder of unborn people. This is an especially good reason to keep it out of the blackmarket. But due to the nature of the act it is never going to be a good experience for anyone involved. In an ideal world there would not be any unwanted pregnancies but we have not reached that point yet. In some ways, the idea of an unwanted pregnancy speaks for the intelligence of mankind. Considering the exponential population growth of humans it is not surprising that humans have developed contraceptive medicine and practice abortion operations. As we all know of china’s one child policy.

I do not think that abortion is a political issue. I do not think that we need politicians to centralize the legislation on abortion.

Ron Paul summed it up recently where he said (para phrased) he does not agree with the murder of unborn children and would not encourage it at all. But he does not agree that the government should prevent a mother from aborting the child.

I think performatively, people who say they are anti-choice don’t get extremely upset about abortion because they don’t seriously believe it is the same thing as a human child with a full propensity to feel pain with a history of human experience. Even most Christians are not as upset about abortion as they would be if people went around killing 3 year olds; the reaction would be much more visceral than just pining for legislation.

You are right, I just tried to understand more about anti-abortion side, not that I am pro-life or pro-choice. Even though, I do not consider fetuses as human beings just like I do not consider an acorn to be an oak.

If a person drives a car, he is responsible for any damage he has caused, even if he had no intention of causing said damage.
Similarly, a mother is responsible for her baby even if she did not intend to have the baby.

It was intended to be funny, but the point still stands that you can’t have it both ways. Either woman have complete authority over their bodies (and therefore the non-aggression principle doesn’t apply to them.) or in fact woman do not have complete authority over their bodies.

That is not an excuse for murder, nor is it an argument that abortion is not murder.

All humans, when they’re in the womb. The child is not an aggressor, and is incapable of aggressing. The woman must initiate aggression against the child in order to get rid of him, which goes flat against the non-aggression principle.

My opening post posits that libertarians either have to redefine what a human is or else to make an exception to the non-aggression principle to hold on to a pro-choice stance. As I see no scientific reason (only a political reason) to redefine a fetus and/or embryo as something other than human, I refuse to do it. I also refuse to make an exception to the non-aggression principle as I see it as a statist mentality. Statists also think that the non-aggression principle holds true… Except for the state.

You are either misunderstanding my post or else being dishonest. My argument posits that abortion is incompatible with the non-aggression principle. You may argue that I am wrong (Which you have not.), but not that I am not at least on the face of it arguing within the bounds of a libertarian framework.

The argument is that for an abortion to be performed, the mother must aggress against the baby. The mother is not aggressing against the babies advocate. Just as in any other case of murder, a third party must seek justice in leu of the murdered.

Are you suggesting that if a person is murdered, the only people that have standing to seek justice are people inside the family? So if a person murders an entire family, no one would have standing to prosecute?

Further, you have not bothered to argue that a embryo or fetus is not a human being, nor have you argued that killing the baby does not go against the non aggression principle.

I was once an embryo, you were once an embryo. If someone attacked you or me when we were inside the womb, they would be committing an act of aggression against us, thus breaking the non-aggression principle.

Prematurely ending a pregnancy in any form by anyone is murder.

Goverment should be abolished completely, but in its place there will be private law practices. These private law practices would have the standing to prosecute the murder of any human being. Since the mother must aggress against the child in order to abort him, she is committing an act of pre-meditated murder that may be prosecuted by any human being (And therefore any private law practice.).

Not only does this not address my argument in the least, it is in itself a fallacy. Murder is not wrong based on the amount of pain inflicted, it is wrong because it is ending a human life without the victims consent. Murder is no less wrong if the murderer used pain killers or a machete.

I do not doubt, however, that we have become very desensitized to this type of murder.

On the flip side, do you feel kicking a person in the stomache is no different than kicking a pregnant person in the stomache?