Conservative??? Most are really not, are you?...

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If you think being a conservative is to be pro war, interventionists, or to be big government, you are wrong. This is mostly towards Americans. Conservatives have been looked down upon these last view years. But in reality, most people dont know what a conservative is in America. Lets try to clear some minds about conservatives now.

Pro war isnt conservative thinking. For some reason when people think of all the people that are pro war, they think of republicans. Well, yes, most republicans are pro war, but they have lost there conservative thinking. To be a real conservative, you have to believe in isolationism. Isolationism is when a country does not involve itself with other nations. And if we dont involve ourselves in other peoples’ business, then we wouldnt have a reason to send troops overseas.Right?

We have to provide safety for our citizens FIRST before we go off trying to save the whole world. This is why American charities that help foreign countries piss me off. For example, when a charity asks for food to send to Africa. WHAT?! We have starving kids in America that we should be helping. Another thing that makes me furious is when people adopt in foreign countries. We have poor kids in America that need homes too. Are you just going to throw them under the bus because you rather help a kid in a foreign country? I am not being racist, I support charities to help American citizens that are Asian, Hispanic, Black, White, Muslim, whatever. I am being an isolationist and a conservative.

I’ll give you in example how most, not all but most, Republicans lost their conservative way of thinking. Lets take the biggest hypocrite in the Republican party, George Bush. George Bush tripled the size of the Federal Government during his eight years in office. This is not conservative for all of you conservative bashers out there. Conservatives believe in limited government. George Bush again, declaring war on Afghanistan and sending troops to Iraq. Now at the time of 9/11 I was in support of the war (I am not going into whether 9/11 was a cover up or not. But lets assume it wasnt, for the sake of getting my point across). But this should have only been a in and out situation. We go into Afghanistan, destroy a bunch of terrorists camps, then get the hell out of there. Of course this hasnt happened and we are still in the middle east and its been eight years since 9/11. EIGHT YEARS… Afghanistan is a third world country and we are still in Afghanistan…Thats very conservative of you George Bush. (sarcasm). I could keep going about the Patriot Act, or homeland security but you should be able to get my point.

A Real conservative would be

  • A person who opposes strong Federal Government

  • A person who opposes war

  • A person that is an isolationist

Real conservative politicians in the United States are

  • Ron Paul

  • Murray Sabrin

  • William Redpath

  • Newt Gingrich

  • Mike Gravel

  • B.J. Lawson

Thats really all that I can think of from the top of my head…Look them up study the if you want more information conservative politicians. Oh, Bob Barr too, his name just popped up in my head. Thats all that I really want to say.

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Isolationism and non-interventionism are not the same thing. Isolationism combines a non-interventionist foreign policy with economic protectionism, whereas non-interventionism refers to a foreign policy opposing war and “entangling alliances”, as George Washington put it.

“Conservative” is just a word, and anyone is welcome to it, including neocons, paleocons, classical liberals and the religious right.

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Newt Gingrich?

Bob Barr?

Are you kidding?

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Newt Gingrich is not a small government guy.

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I am not. Neither am I an isolationist. Isolation is stupid.

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I hate the label of “conservative” is almost a poisoning the well fallacy by itself.

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Left wing, right wing, conservative, and liberal are all absolutly unintelligable terms. I’ll stop calling those “stereotypes” that you mentioned conservative when they stop calling themselves conservative.

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[quote=“Isaac “Izzy” Marmolejo”]

  • Newt Gingrich

  • Mike Gravel

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Newt - come on, really…you are just joking around right?

Mike Gravel - didn’t he support socialized medicine?

Bob Barr - voted for the Iraq war, Patriot Act, and I believe (though I may be wrong) supported the war on flowers, I mean drugs.

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Newt Gingrich? Are you serious? He’s as tyrannical as any of them. And Isolationism is stupid. Free trade makes everyone better off, and makes wars between countries less likely. For instance, there is no real chance of war with Canada, Mexico, China, etc.

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Many of you guys are going against my conservative speech because you guys are thinking more of Republican or Democrat… but in reality there are conservatives in both right and left wing. Im talking about conservative politically not socially by the way people. By that I mean they think conservative on political issue. ( limited government, war policies, the Federal Reserve). Not by social issues ( health care, minority rights.)

Someone said something about how free trade is a better way. Well free trade didn’t exactly unite the United States and Iran in the 1970s. thats why Iran stopped sending oil to us and we had Cost push inflation. And you want to know why they stopped sending oil to us? because we supported the jews in Israel rather than support the muslims. If we would have kept our mouth shut and not picked sides, we wouldnt have first sent troops overseas to support the jews, and second wouldnt have experienced cost push inflation.

Newt Gingrich is too a small government type of guy. He is a big supporter of the Tea Party Movement and this is one of his quotes at a speech in New York City to prove that he supports limited government.

"If the Republicans can’t break out of being the right wing party of big government, then I think you would see a third party movement in 2012.‘’ - Newt Gingrich

Mike Gravel, yes he does believe in nationalizing health care. But he also believes anti war, anti tax, and term limits on Congress. So for the most part he is conservative, just because one of his views is liberal doesnt that he isnt conservative.

Bob Barr i could understand why some of you dont consider him conservative but in his most recent activities he has been very conservative, and i think he is going to stay that way.

Wow, i think im done explaining myself now…

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[quote=“Isaac “Izzy” Marmolejo”]
Newt Gingrich is too a small government type of guy. He is a big supporter of the Tea Party Movement and this is one of his quotes at a speech in New York City to prove that he supports limited government.

"If the Republicans can’t break out of being the right wing party of big government, then I think you would see a third party movement in 2012.‘’ - Newt Gingrich
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You know, George Bush said conservative-sounding things before he was president. He must be a conservative, small government type of guy too.

All sarcasm aside, paying lip service to a group A does not mean you are part of said group.

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I don’t care what labels you plaster on me or anyone. Humans label things. Just don’t try and force me to wear your label, I won’t force you to wear mine.

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I think conservatism is finding its old regime roots of established autocracy, paternalism, mercantilism and love of marshal values. Perhaps we are seeing the reaction of two groups in the conservative movement, the classical liberal pessimists who were pushed out of liberalism due to the take over of socialist elements and the actual ancien regime of conservatism. Overall, I think classical liberals are going to be pushed back into the title of libertarian.

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Newt Gingrich took part in Tea Party protests…so he is also taking action and not just spitting out crap

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way to be a drama queen…

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A little charity work here, a little charity work there, for good measure.

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The word conservative means whatever the people calling themselves want it to mean. I think the word has gotten stretched so far to describe so many different ideas (in particular the isolationist, anti-immigration nationalism) that it was never meant to encompass (or maybe that I don’t identify with despite considering myself to be very conservative at one point) that the word has almost entirely lost meaning to me.

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[quote=“Isaac “Izzy” Marmolejo”]

Newt Gingrich took part in Tea Party protests…so he is also taking action and not just spitting out crap

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The GOP is dying, they are trying to take over the message of the Tea party and change it into a show of GOP revival.

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[quote=“Isaac “Izzy” Marmolejo”]

Newt Gingrich took part in Tea Party protests…so he is also taking action and not just spitting out crap

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Gingrich is a total phony and a big-government hack. Gingrich uses the lame “tea party” protests to gain favor with “conservative” groups.

“I’ll give you in example how most, not all but most, Republicans lost their conservative way of thinking. Lets take the biggest hypocrite in the Republican party, George Bush. George Bush tripled the size of the Federal Government during his eight years in office. This is not conservative for all of you conservative bashers out there. Conservatives believe in limited government. George Bush again, declaring war on Afghanistan and sending troops to Iraq. Now at the time of 9/11 I was in support of the war (I am not going into whether 9/11 was a cover up or not. But lets assume it wasnt, for the sake of getting my point across). But this should have only been a in and out situation. We go into Afghanistan, destroy a bunch of terrorists camps, then get the hell out of there. Of course this hasnt happened and we are still in the middle east and its been eight years since 9/11. EIGHT YEARS… Afghanistan is a third world country and we are still in Afghanistan…Thats very conservative of you George Bush. (sarcasm). I could keep going about the Patriot Act, or homeland security but you should be able to get my point.”

And Gingrich would be different than Bush? Read this piece, titled “Bush and Lincoln”, by Gingrich in 2006. He sounds more hawkish than Bush; thus, by your criteria, Gingrich is NOT a “real” conservative. Bob Barr is a faux libertarian who also beats the war drum, so he is not a “real” conservative. Fortunately, I do not recognize the other names on the list, other than Ron Paul.

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The GOP is dying, they are trying to take over the message of the Tea party and change it into a show of GOP revival.

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The GOP has seen worst days, its just the ebb, and flow of American politics. The GOP just happens to be in a slump right now, but give them another four years, and they’ll be back in the limelight.