Watch out if you get pulled over…
Does Samsung also keep the same records? If so, then I wonder if Apple will sue them for copying.
I’m surprised that this is just coming out now. I’m willing to bet that not only can they access i-phones but every phone and every piece of machinery. As long as the masses are calm, the puppeteers are happy.
I’m not sure what you mean. My electric drill in my truck doesn’t store data of my whereabouts. I don’t exactly understand what danger there is in someone having access to it.
Anyway, here’s the details of the case:
http://radar.oreilly.com/2011/04/apple-location-tracking.html
In that second link you can see a picture of the device. It does say that it can download info from just about every phone…but the point is not every phone contains all the data that an iPhone does…particularly GPS data. The device also has to be physically connected to the phone…so I’m not sure how the cop could do it “without the owner knowing” as the ACLU says. That might just mean they don’t have to tell you what they’re going to do with your phone. But it’s not like you have to give it to them.
This has nothing to do with probable cause, it’s a 5th amendment issue. You are never required to incriminate yourself and being forced to turn over evidence against yourself is a form of self-incrimination and a violation of the 5th amendment.
Not that that matters.
These kind of boneheaded features are going to backfire on whoever puts them in.
Clayton -
Neither does a car engine, yet the feds have been known to attach mics, cameras, homing devices, et cetera in any kind of machinery. Hell, I even saw where the federal government is investing in bird cameras. What you think is a bird flying nearby could really be a camera. http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread688173/pg1
I believe that we’re all living in a big, elaborate stage. Not that I think someone is watching us constantly, but they certainly can watch us when they want. That’s all.
Misunderstood what you meant by “they can access any piece of machinery.” You meant “they could place monitoring devices”. I thought everyone was aware of that.
This is much different. This is (a) your cell phone already collecting and storing data that you wouldn’t think it would (GPS and the like) and (b) cops being able to download all data from your phone (call logs, text messages, pictures, deleted info, and that GPS data). That is completely different from being monitored by their devices.
That is completely different from being monitored by their devices.
How is it? The police are controlled by the government, which is controlled by the people, ergo, police devices are your devices, and you are doing that to yourself 
On a serious side, how is it different from the feds having legal rights to examine contents of your laptop at airport security check points?
Feds can examine the contents of your laptop without a warrant just because you’re at the airport? (I’m talking about the data contents…not the physical contents you know)
Feds can examine the contents of your laptop without a warrant just because you’re at the airport?
http://boingboing.net/2008/02/07/tsa-confiscating-lap.html
http://blogs.pcmag.com/securitywatch/2010/01/can_tsa_copy_your_laptop_hard.php
but especially http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/82561/can_us_customs_search_seize_your_laptop.html
Quote:
On July 24, 2006, the United States Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit decided that US Customs and Border Patrol Officers had the right to search and seize a person’s laptop computer, computer discs and other electronic media.
So no, I guess just being in the airport may be not enough, you have to be crossing the border (but this just a guess).
That’s pretty damn shocking. The fact that that can happen and the fact that I was unaware of it.
But to answer your question it’s different because those searches can only be performed by US Customs and Border Patrol (not even TSA is authorized)…and only when you are attempting to enter or leave the country. Local police downloading your cell phone during a routine traffic stop is quite different. Not that either case isn’t a total and direct violation of the 4th Amendment…you just asked how it was different, so I’m telling you.
I guessed that would be the reply, but for me there is no difference - I entered/exited the US much more times than I was stopped by traffic cops
Ok, I see how this may make a helluva difference for a lot of US residents
a total and direct violation of the 4th Amendment.
This applies to citizens of the US - and raises an interesting question - what legal rights do the foreigners have when in the US? Are they only (legally) protected by international treaties ratified by the US government?
Now this is one I’m pretty sure about…the U.S. Constitution does not only restrict the government in terms of what it can do to citizens.
"It is indisputable…that the Constitution [protects both] citizens and foreigners"
Good to know for the next time I confront the feds. Thanks!
Oh wow…didn’t realize you were a foreigner. Your English is perfect.
TrueCrypt is your friend…
TrueCrypt is your friend…
It has its costs, so while a great solution for transporting your secrets (plausible deniability is cool), I would not use it on a daily basis (I bought a laptop with SSD for a reason). So unless the cops get legal right to routinely search my laptop, it may not be worth it.
This is the tool they use to extract the data:
http://www.cellebrite.com/forensic-products/ufed-physical-pro.html
Seems like most phones have some serious security problems. Either that or intentional backdoor for tech support? I mean they just connect a cable and all your data is exposed.
The techonology blog Gizmodo has an article today (iSpy Conspiracy: Break Apple’s Secret Tracking with This App) about a new app for the iPhone addressing the issue. It’s called Untrackered and [a]lthough it requires a jailbroken device, it’s a cinch to use—it simply runs in the background, erasing that dubious info: “A package installs a daemon (process that can run in the background) to clean consolidated.db file. No new icons are added to your homescreen. There are no options to configure.”