Check out the trailer for the new Batman movie. In it, one of the villains says: “You’re all gonna wonder how you could ever thought you could live so large and leave so little for the rest of us” and it looks like some kind of leftist revolution is taking place.
The leaders of the revolution are basically terrorists bent on destroying civilization (Gotham City).
Thoughts?
Yeah, that quote intrigued me when I first heard it. But I can take it either way. Either as you might think, pro-capitalist, or possibly pro-“99%ers” depending on how it actually concludes.
I know I am stoked to go see it!
Hopefully it is pro-capitalist, as the “bad guys” are clearly leftists, but we will see (you never know with Hollywood)!
I saw Joker as the “good thing that seems bad to people” aspect of capitalism (burning the money, talking about creating “chaos” for the “planners”) in the last movie. Batman was also the element of capitalism that no one likes, but ultimately does good.
Bruce Wayne is also the ultra rich guy that spends enormous amounts of money on preventing crimes that the state doesn’t protect under its monopoly.
But didn’t the Joker rob banks and blow up a lot of shit (violating property rights)?
Two thoughts, Yes, he did those things, but bad things happen in the market. He talks about chaos, not liberty.
Also, Johnny Depp in the movie that he plays John Dilligner says while robbing a bank, “We’re not taking your money, we’re taking the banks money, they’ll just print more.” (or something to that effect) He mentions the Fed Res by name in the movie as well.
Personally, I don’t think that property is “property” if it is acquired by illegitimate means. Banks usually fall whole heartedly into this category.
Well, today we shall see whether or not Hollywood has slipped up and allowed a pro-capitalist film to be released! Time to illegally watch the movie on the internet go to the theater!
The end of the movie concludes by bringing order back but it never rectifies the specific the attacks. If you wish to destroy an idea you must use another idea. The movie simply resorted to violence. You accept the part where cat woman was commenting that the Wayne mansion was someone’s home or the vague references to Batman’s morality.
The movie will give leftists the fantasy of chaos to revel.
Catwoman’s speech in the trailer doesn’t lend much hope.
Its not enough for her to lift his diamonds. She has to remind him what a greedy bastard he is.
From what I’ve read from critics, it has some occupy wall street style themes to it. Probably gonna have a pretty left wing orientation to it.
Buzz, look at Batman as a hero (not a superhero, since he has no superpowers [not wanting to start a separate debate on that, but I’m willing to vehemently defend my claim lol]). He’s against guns; he believes he has an imperative to fund the city (as in the subway, which his father built), he’s mostly black. He’s clearly a liberal!
I saw Joker as the “good thing that seems bad to people” aspect of capitalism (burning the money, talking about creating “chaos” for the “planners”) in the last movie. Batman was also the element of capitalism that no one likes, but ultimately does good.
Bruce Wayne is also the ultra rich guy that spends enormous amounts of money on preventing crimes that the state doesn’t protect under its monopoly.
Good points. I thought it was funny that The Joker dislikes “plotters and schemers” but he himself was a “plotter and schemers”.
SPOILER WARNING!!!
There were some good quotes by Bruce Wayne.
One of them was, to paraphrase: Charity balls are about feeding the egos of the people hosting them.
The movie is also pro-state, however. Ultimately, the cops are portayed as heros who take on Bane’s army in a battle a la Gangs of New York.
Bane’s army are mercenaries, which shines a bad light on “private” contractors.
However, Bane’s revolution is shown for what most “revolutions” are.
I’m sure the movie will empathise with the villian (Assuming that the villain really is an extreme leftist.), because at the end of the day we are not the majority of ticket buyers in this country.
@Daniel: Well, it’s pretty normal that it’s not anti-state, but I think it’s still in some sense sympathetic to the economic right wing, and I’d side with the state police over communist rebels any day.
Maybe, but what matters most is the plot of the movie. I haven’t seen it yet so I can’t say, I’m going to watch it in a few minutes.
Can we make this a spoiler thread? I think that the film actually had some interesting intellectual points, although it handled them in a rather non-intellectual way, and at any rate I’d like to discuss them.
I really don’t think that this movie was as political as some people are trying to make it out to be. I mean, on the flip side, you can argue that Nolan did a good job of also showing how completely imcompitent policeman can be.
Sure, how do we do that?
Jmorris seems to have figured it out.