Deregulation Question

I’m very new to all this (in fact, I just joined this community tonight, but have listened to Lew Rockwell for awhile).

I wonder, if the private sector were to be suddenly deregulated, what exactly are the built-in controls to prevent “exploitation” (i’m sure there’s a better word for that- it sounds like im a shill for unions.. my 7m old daughter is teething- my thinking capacity is somewhat diminsihed..) i.e. child labor… i guess what i’m asking is what would be the extent of the de-regulating? how do these theories change between libertarianism to anarcho-libertaranism?

Thanks!

Your own common sense is what prevents exploitation.

The best regulations are no regulations at all.

unregulated competition works wonders. everyone does their best to keep the customer happy, the workers happy.

child labor is not a bad thing. why should a child not be able to work and make money if he and his parents want it?

There is a myth that the govt ended the cruel practice of child labor, those lil kids chained to the work table 17 hours a day. Do a search on this site about it.

The q you ask is an ecomic question. What happens if economic conditions chnage [no regulations]. The answer is an economic answer, so libertarians and anarcho-l’s agree.

I think the diff between the two groups is in this q: do we need a govt for anything at all? defense from invasion, say? but aside from a very few specific areas, they both agree the govt is a cancer everywhere else. harsh but true.

Oh, and welcome to the site.

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Just to get you started:

About child labor.

No employer can force a child to work for him in a free market.

Read Ch32: The Employer of Child Labor in Defending the undependable. :http://mises.org/books/defending.pdf

To clarify this statement, I think it is important to distinguish between mandated regulation and voluntary regulation.

Take for instance, an organic standard. The way it works now, is through the USDA regulation standard, a mandated regulation. However, prior to the USDA, there were independent organization that rated organic products, that was voluntary.

The same concept can be applied to child labor, where organizations that do not wish to utilize child labor can be certified as such voluntarily.

Very rarely will you find exploitive activities in a free market. It’s not good for biz, if you catch my drift. :slight_smile:

When they do arise it’s usually fraudulent, and subjective to legal action.

Child labor isn’t necessarily a bad thing, especially in a heavily service oriented economy like the U.S.'s. So what if a 14 year old wants to wait tables in their spare time? There’s hardly any “exploitation” going on. If anything, it empowers them and makes them more independent. For other kinds of “exploitation”, competition provides the check.

Libertarians generally support a minimalist state providing only military, courts, and police. Anarchocapitalists, market-anarchists, anti-statists, etc view all state power as illegitimate, and designate military, courts, and police to be privately run.

What if the parents force the kids to work against their consent? I’m just curious.

Isnt that slavery?

Im pretty weak on the philosophical side . Maybe the kid has to pay his room and board, but that’s it?

will do! thanks!

A common misconception is that deregulation is equivalent to complete lawlessness. Many argue inside this paradigm, attempting to paint the deregulation movement as pro-pollution, pro-slavery, pro-fraud, and pro-danger. Yet, all of these things are more-or-less outlawed without “regulation”.

Polluting is a property crime and a aggressive assault upon the health of others against their will. Slavery is extortion. Fraud is a property crime equivalent to theft. The makers and retailers of unsafe products would likely be liable for negligent harm, possibly fraud if they lied about the safety quality of the product.

In an “unregulated” environment, companies could only…

…“pollute” their own land/air/water without being sued or violently shut down.

…hire employees who prefer to work for them over alternative employments, which may include jobs that have less pay or openings but better safety standards or vice versa.

…make product descriptions, contracts, and accounting reports that cannot be shown to be an intentional or negligent distortion of the truth.

…make products that are potentially harmful only if they clearly disclaim such potential to customers.

From a strict profitability standpoint, companies may benefit from avoiding “questionable” practices, simply for PR reasons. Or, they may REQUIRE quality standards to attract competent labor and compete with other producers. For example, for the same price, would the average person prefer to purchase brand name pain medicine or street heroine?

Finally, simply because something is regulated by government does not mean that government regulations WILL AUTOMATICALLY achieve their goals. Pollution is still horrible today, even with the EPA. Moreover, the largest polluter in the land - the Dept. of Defense - is not bound to obey any EPA mandates. Drugs that are passed by the FDA often turn out to be dangerous in practice, and the manufacturers are sued. Other regulations, like minimum wage, may not fail directly (although there is surely a lot of undocumented work taking place below minimum wage), but the regulations themself distort the economy for the worse. In the min. wage example, it drives up unemployment, especially in the young and unskilled.

Then there is the danger of regulatory capture, which is a near universal condition of our monopoly, government regulation. Politically influential producers use the regulatory bodies to allow their products to be profitably marketable, but purposefully create regulations that disadvantage their competitors. It is little different from the old practice of gov’t monopoly grants.

Thus, there are myriad reasons that gov’t regulation is unnecessary, creates more costs that benefits, or becomes a source of injustice and poor economy.

Antonia N. wrote the following post at Tue, Mar 30 2010 11:20 PM:

I’m very new to all this (in fact, I just joined this community tonight, but have listened to Lew Rockwell for awhile).

I wonder, if the private sector were to be suddenly deregulated, what exactly are the built-in controls to prevent “exploitation” (i’m sure there’s a better word for that- it sounds like im a shill for unions.. my 7m old daughter is teething- my thinking capacity is somewhat diminsihed..) i.e. child labor… i guess what i’m asking is what would be the extent of the de-regulating? how do these theories change between libertarianism to anarcho-libertaranism?

Thanks!

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De-regulation would have to be an all or nothing endeavor. This is because newer regulations address holes in earlier regulations. Take for example the Arizona Immigration Law. This law was passed because of

Welfare State, Drug War, Terrorism, etc.

This happens everywhere in every aspect of society. Laws have far reaching consequences.

As long as a child is living at home, he is under the authority of his parents. Most likely, there will by many things that they “force” him to do; chores, eating healthy, etc. However, a child always has the right to leave his parents’ home and live under the authority of someone else if he chooses to. (Private orphanages). “Enslaved” children would always have this option.

Read Rothbard’s chapter on children in The Ethics of Liberty.

Exploitation is not profitable.

There is extensive research proving that people preferm menal tasks better if they get a higher monetary reward.

Contradictory enough they preform complex tasks that require creative thingking worse if they get a higher monetary reward. When doing compex tasks a sense of purpose is more importaint to people. But you still have to pay them enough to take worring about money out of the equation or it will affect preformance negativly here as well.

The order of removal matters. We have regulations that actually make companies more free - that is, they remove market discipline and allow companies to succeed doing things (bad things) that otherwise would cause them to fail for economic reasons. Then, because we have those regulations and people get upset about the results, we have further regulations trying to patch up and prevent some of the exploitation that the first permits. The problem is, the latter are politically weaker, and hence easier to remove.

Parents don’t force their kids to work against their consent?

Do the words “Clean your room”, “Take out the trash”, or “Do your homework” ring a bell?

Compensated or not, this is a fact of life.

Thanks for all the feedback! I really enjoyed “Defending the Undefendable” - the reasons for going against the conventional “govt is the savior” mentality is simply put, and very easy to grasp.

Also, the Mises daily about child labor was great. When I was thinking child labor, I was more thinking about kids in the coal mines type of thing… i agree that it’s absurd that a 14yr old cannot get a job without jumping through hoops (and the parents as well, in some cases). Child labor laws are just another way that the state takes parenting away from the parents, and into their hands (because they, looking down on us from Mt. Olympus..oh, I mean Capital Hill… obviously know more than I what would be better for my children!)

I see now more and more that once a problem (children in factories, polio, “wild west” starts to shrink, in comes the state… regulating from high… and then they proceed to claim that it was legislation that SOLVED these problems in the first place. Or conversely, if the problem starts up again thanks to intervention, it’s obviously because there wasn’t enough regulation!

The best way to prevent exploitation in the market is to have no regulations. People are scared of bankrupting their companies. I wrote a two-part column on this subject, if you want to check it out. Each section has a different title for some reason, but they go together.

Part I: http://www.statepress.com/2010/06/05/wall-street-welfare-part-i/

Part II: http://www.statepress.com/2010/06/13/no-regulation-is-the-best-regulation/