Destroying Your Statist Arguments

Miscellaneous General
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Do you see the problem here?

You already feel you are entitled to certain things.

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Semantics. I think you know what I’m talking about.

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Definitions.

Let’s pretend I don’t. Are you willing to help me understand?

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Also, I suggest watching Into the Wild. It illustrates the harshness of man in his “natural state” vis-a-vis nature. That is, man without society.

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Roads: http://www.scribd.com/doc/14140118/The-Privatization-of-Roads-and-Highways-Walter-Block

Infrastructure: same thing.

Garbage disposal: http://mises.org/MediaPlayer.aspx?Id=4991

Military, police, and courts I can’t speak for, but you should look up the failures of government in all of these things.

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Ofcourse there have been failures of government in everything. That doesn’t change anything for me.

I’m really not saying that everything couldn’t be done privately, I just don’t understand why it needs to be. Is there really that much to gain?

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I’m afraid there is. The state is incapable of providing anything for the masses nearly as well as the market can.

On topic, here’s one I got on debating the morality of property rights:

Me: “If private property is immoral, then how is it immoral for me to, say, burn down your house?”

Him: “Because everyone else got together and made a law that says you can’t.”

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Even if that’s true, and I’m not saying it’s not, you’re going to have a hell of a time convincing certain state beneficiaries that they aren’t being well provided for by the government. Do you know why they call Social Security and Medicare the “third rail” of politics?

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On Topic:

I need a little help here, I don’t know what went wrong. My friend insists that I see these situations for myself for my argument to be credible.

ts from an MSN convo, so whenever it says Carl(me), Kelly its something I am saying.

4/1/2010 10:18:11 PM Carl Kelly when the industrial revoluation happened, what were the altneratives the factory work? in Africa and poor countries what are the alternatives to sweat shops?

4/1/2010 10:18:35 PM Carl Kelly The “bad conditions” aren’t as bad as everyone claims they are if they are better then living on the streets or carrying bodies
4/1/2010 10:18:45 PM Carl Kelly and if a kid in africa can at least buy food
4/1/2010 10:18:48 PM Carl Kelly for a day
4/1/2010 10:18:48 PM Kelly Carl …ooooooh wow
4/1/2010 10:18:49 PM Kelly Carl oh wow
4/1/2010 10:18:50 PM Kelly Carl oh wow
4/1/2010 10:18:51 PM Kelly Carl oh wow
4/1/2010 10:18:52 PM Kelly Carl you did not
4/1/2010 10:19:04 PM Kelly Carl WOW.
4/1/2010 10:19:24 PM Carl Kelly ?
4/1/2010 10:19:28 PM Kelly Carl WOW.
4/1/2010 10:20:11 PM Carl Kelly Maybe I shouldn’t have said “carrying bodies”
4/1/2010 10:20:25 PM Kelly Carl You go live a day in a sweat shop in Africa
4/1/2010 10:20:27 PM Kelly Carl GET BACK TO ME ON THAT.
4/1/2010 10:20:36 PM Carl Kelly but its true, a kid in Africa can work in a sweat shop instead of having to live in the dirt
4/1/2010 10:20:36 PM Kelly Carl How DARE you
4/1/2010 10:20:38 PM Kelly Carl literally
4/1/2010 10:21:00 PM Kelly Carl that is one of the most ignorant things I have ever heard in my life.
4/1/2010 10:21:10 PM Kelly Carl I would love to take you to new york and have you meet some of the homeless.
4/1/2010 10:21:55 PM Kelly Carl You’ve never seen suffering.
4/1/2010 10:22:36 PM Kelly Carl Seriously Carl, I just
4/1/2010 10:22:38 PM Kelly Carl you need to see
4/1/2010 10:22:41 PM Kelly Carl how some people live.
4/1/2010 10:22:51 PM Kelly Carl You need to see kids teeth rotting
4/1/2010 10:22:59 PM Kelly Carl because their parents cant afford dental care
4/1/2010 10:23:15 PM Kelly Carl you need to see a 2nd grader who can’t read
4/1/2010 10:23:18 PM Kelly Carl and punches the wall
4/1/2010 10:23:21 PM Kelly Carl because nobody ever taught him
4/1/2010 10:23:24 PM Kelly Carl and he feels stupid
4/1/2010 10:23:44 PM Kelly Carl you need to see a kid who comes to school with nothing for lunch, lice, and a black eye.
4/1/2010 10:23:57 PM Kelly Carl you need to meet their parents
4/1/2010 10:23:58 PM Kelly Carl their mothers
4/1/2010 10:24:02 PM Kelly Carl who work at your CVS
4/1/2010 10:24:05 PM Kelly Carl your stop and shops
4/1/2010 10:24:09 PM Kelly Carl your holly wood video

4/1/2010 10:35:11 PM Carl Kelly The thing is, if a law is passed to force wages up in a sweatshop people will lose their jobs

4/1/2010 10:35:17 PM Carl Kelly and some of the sweatshops jobs will go away
4/1/2010 10:35:39 PM Carl Kelly as a result some peopel who were working in one to work there way up to a better job in better conditions end up turning to prostitution
4/1/2010 10:36:24 PM Kelly Carl shakes head
4/1/2010 10:36:34 PM Kelly Carl If that helps you sleep at night
4/1/2010 10:37:00 PM Carl Kelly You dont believe me?
4/1/2010 10:37:35 PM Carl Kelly Honestly, Americans are the only ones who complain about wages
4/1/2010 10:37:39 PM Carl Kelly Thats what I dont understand
4/1/2010 10:37:54 PM Kelly Carl (die
4/1/2010 10:37:57 PM Kelly Carl a) no they aren’t
4/1/2010 10:38:00 PM Carl Kelly Those people in the third world countries happily take jobs at those wages
4/1/2010 10:38:05 PM Kelly Carl b) you wouldn’t believe yourself if you went and lived down there
4/1/2010 10:38:07 PM Kelly Carl HAPPILY
4/1/2010 10:38:09 PM Kelly Carl oh jesus christ!
4/1/2010 10:38:10 PM Kelly Carl (die
4/1/2010 10:38:15 PM Kelly Carl I just
4/1/2010 10:38:26 PM Kelly Carl I can not talk to you about this
4/1/2010 10:38:56 PM Kelly Carl It’s heartbreaking
4/1/2010 10:40:32 PM Carl Kelly Why?
4/1/2010 10:41:02 PM Kelly Carl Because you have NO idea
4/1/2010 10:41:07 PM Kelly Carl you can’t watch some videos
4/1/2010 10:41:12 PM Kelly Carl and pretend you know their lives
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well what does she want to do about all that?

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I’ve told her, she can volunteer to help. However, how was my rhetoric? We argued about various things like the Drug War(which she supports) and minimum wage.

Off topic:

Shes hot :stuck_out_tongue: too bad she has a boyfriend, we get into debates quite often. I dont mind it though, its better then having an overly clingy girl who just sits there and absorbs all the shit you say…

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I mean it sounded reasonable, imo. Could come off as insensitive to someone not familiar with the arguments and clearly she reacted emotionally.

Kinda more used to the girls who just sit there and listen tbh.

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Well, honestly, I linked her to the Stossel video on sweatshops, she didn’t watch it. She denies any credability of an argument that comes from information in a video or something written.

Here is our conversation on the Drug War. At least she agrees that Marijuana is not a “drug” or harmful at all..

4/2/2010 3:56:39 AM Kelly Carl Earlier you mentioned the “war on drugs” and the government shouldn’t be holding people’s hands through their choices
4/2/2010 3:56:46 AM Kelly Carl Does thatmean you think drugs should be legal?
4/2/2010 3:56:49 AM Kelly Carl all drugs?
4/2/2010 3:57:16 AM Carl Kelly Im not sure what would happen exactly if all drugs were legal, but ideally they would eventually be.
4/2/2010 3:57:20 AM Carl Kelly I want pot to be legal
4/2/2010 3:57:24 AM Carl Kelly right now
4/2/2010 3:57:35 AM Kelly Carl You want heroin and crack and meth and coke to be legal?
4/2/2010 3:57:40 AM Kelly Carl let alone opiates
4/2/2010 3:57:51 AM Kelly Carl ketamine?
4/2/2010 3:57:56 AM Carl Kelly Well if heroine was illegal
4/2/2010 3:58:01 AM Carl Kelly err
4/2/2010 3:58:16 AM Carl Kelly if drugs were all legal then there be almost no crime at all
4/2/2010 3:58:19 AM Kelly Carl …
4/2/2010 3:58:21 AM Carl Kelly since all the drug lords would lose money
4/2/2010 3:58:26 AM Kelly Carl Um
4/2/2010 3:58:27 AM Kelly Carl hahahah
4/2/2010 3:58:30 AM Carl Kelly Gangs get their money by trading drugs
4/2/2010 3:58:39 AM Kelly Carl I…don’t think you’ve known many drug addicts
4/2/2010 3:58:40 AM Kelly Carl have you
4/2/2010 3:58:47 AM Carl Kelly Actually quite a lot
4/2/2010 3:58:55 AM Carl Kelly I dont know how the other drugs would wor
4/2/2010 3:58:57 AM Carl Kelly work*
4/2/2010 3:59:01 AM Carl Kelly but pot should be legalized
4/2/2010 3:59:13 AM Kelly Carl You’ve known coke or meth addicts and you think there would be LESS crime if it were legal?
4/2/2010 3:59:16 AM Kelly Carl :noid
4/2/2010 3:59:50 AM Carl Kelly lol
4/2/2010 3:59:57 AM Carl Kelly do you think theres no logic behind it?
4/2/2010 4:00:07 AM Kelly Carl Yes, i think there’s no logic behind it
4/2/2010 4:00:10 AM Kelly Carl you didn’t answer my question
4/2/2010 4:00:17 AM Kelly Carl have you known any?
4/2/2010 4:00:54 AM Carl Kelly Well theres a lot behind it, the idea is that decriminalizing drugs would let the police to concentrate on putting rapists and murderers in prison
4/2/2010 4:01:05 AM Carl Kelly since they wouldn’t be filling cells with addicts
4/2/2010 4:01:15 AM Kelly Carl You didn’t answer my question!
4/2/2010 4:01:22 AM Carl Kelly lol i did
4/2/2010 4:01:25 AM Carl Kelly I said I have known
4/2/2010 4:01:37 AM Carl Kelly well I dont know if potheads can be considered addicts
4/2/2010 4:01:40 AM Kelly Carl no
4/2/2010 4:01:42 AM Kelly Carl they can’t
4/2/2010 4:01:50 AM Kelly Carl that’s why I asked more specifically
4/2/2010 4:01:54 AM Kelly Carl coke or meth
4/2/2010 4:01:57 AM Kelly Carl known any?
4/2/2010 4:02:35 AM Kelly Carl I’ll take that as a no.
4/2/2010 4:02:41 AM Kelly Carl And it’s an obvious one.
4/2/2010 4:02:48 AM Carl Kelly no
4/2/2010 4:03:08 AM Kelly Carl Because if you ever had any friends that you watched move into those
4/2/2010 4:03:12 AM Kelly Carl you’d know why they’re illegal
4/2/2010 4:03:17 AM Kelly Carl and they encourage crime
4/2/2010 4:03:22 AM Kelly Carl because peopel lose their heads
4/2/2010 4:03:36 AM Kelly Carl they get violent
4/2/2010 4:03:40 AM Carl Kelly yeah but the idea is, with them legalized police would focus on the crimes they commit
4/2/2010 4:03:47 AM Carl Kelly like if a drug addict commits murder
4/2/2010 4:03:55 AM Carl Kelly they wouldnt just lock them up for possessing the drugs
4/2/2010 4:03:57 AM Kelly Carl Or, we could prevent the murder
4/2/2010 4:04:09 AM Kelly Carl by keeps excessive drugs off the streets
4/2/2010 4:04:11 AM Kelly Carl you legalize them
4/2/2010 4:04:13 AM Carl Kelly How? we aren’t by locking them up for possessing the drugs
4/2/2010 4:04:16 AM Kelly Carl you say “it’s okay to do them”
4/2/2010 4:04:21 AM Carl Kelly they go to jail with VIOLENT criminals
4/2/2010 4:04:24 AM Kelly Carl they go through rehabs for the drugs
4/2/2010 4:04:28 AM Carl Kelly and them come out as violent cirminals
4/2/2010 4:04:33 AM Kelly Carl therefore they have a chance at being a fine member of society
4/2/2010 4:04:46 AM Kelly Carl The idea that…let everyone take those drugs and lock them up when they DO something
4/2/2010 4:04:50 AM Kelly Carl is assinine
4/2/2010 4:04:54 AM Kelly Carl asinine*?
4/2/2010 4:04:55 AM Kelly Carl whatever
4/2/2010 4:04:56 AM Kelly Carl spelling
4/2/2010 4:05:15 AM Carl Kelly lol its not the idea of letting them do drugs
4/2/2010 4:05:29 AM Kelly Carl Legalizing them tells people it’s okay to do them.
4/2/2010 4:05:32 AM Carl Kelly crack, meth and heroine had medical applications
4/2/2010 4:05:42 AM Carl Kelly Yeah but the idea isn’t so taht they are easy to access
4/2/2010 4:05:46 AM Kelly Carl :tare
4/2/2010 4:05:47 AM Carl Kelly and that peopel and do it easier
4/2/2010 4:05:52 AM Kelly Carl Heroin did not have a medical application
4/2/2010 4:05:55 AM Carl Kelly I dont know what their medical applications were
4/2/2010 4:05:55 AM Kelly Carl they were looking for
4/2/2010 4:06:02 AM Kelly Carl a less addictive version of morphine
4/2/2010 4:06:04 AM Kelly Carl IT DIDNT WORK.
4/2/2010 4:06:15 AM Kelly Carl And, honestly? Don’t quote shit you’ve heard if you can’t back it dude
4/2/2010 4:06:19 AM Kelly Carl it makes you look bad
4/2/2010 4:06:33 AM Kelly Carl Crack is a street drug
4/2/2010 4:06:37 AM Kelly Carl meth is a street drug
4/2/2010 4:06:48 AM Carl Kelly Where they always street drugs?
4/2/2010 4:07:48 AM Kelly Carl What you buy on the street is
4/2/2010 4:08:02 AM Kelly Carl that’s why cerrtain things in drug stores are black listed
4/2/2010 4:08:08 AM Kelly Carl if you go in and start buying a ton of it
4/2/2010 4:08:23 AM Kelly Carl people start cooking a
4/2/2010 4:08:34 AM Kelly Carl “Home made” version
4/2/2010 4:08:44 AM Kelly Carl of what scientists came up with, because it makes you off your head
4/2/2010 4:08:50 AM Kelly Carl it is not pretty
4/2/2010 4:09:32 AM Kelly Carl crack has always been a street drug,as far as I’m aware, as it was an adaptation to cocaine
4/2/2010 4:09:39 AM Kelly Carl which, while some people, like Freud
4/2/2010 4:09:46 AM Kelly Carl did try to say it had medical uses
4/2/2010 4:09:52 AM Kelly Carl they all simply became addicts
4/2/2010 4:10:01 AM Kelly Carl because it’s a very powerful substance, and crack is like
4/2/2010 4:10:12 AM Kelly Carl the ugly cousin at the party that knocks over the bowl of punch.
4/2/2010 4:10:20 AM Kelly Carl Ketamine has medical usage, sure
4/2/2010 4:10:25 AM Kelly Carl for animals.
4/2/2010 4:10:40 AM Kelly Carl and, any of those drugs can kill you the first time you try.
4/2/2010 4:11:05 AM Kelly Carl Pot, however
4/2/2010 4:11:10 AM Kelly Carl is never going to kill anyone
4/2/2010 4:11:28 AM Kelly Carl the substance isn’t addictive, people just get addicted to feeling high
4/2/2010 4:11:41 AM Kelly Carl the drug is only a “gateway” drug for those who are weak of mind
4/2/2010 4:11:52 AM Kelly Carl Pot doesn’t wreck lives, people wreck their own lives
4/2/2010 4:12:03 AM Carl Kelly Yeah and strangely its what peopel think its the most dangerous fucking drug
4/2/2010 4:12:03 AM Kelly Carl much like drinking, if you plan to not smoke and drive
4/2/2010 4:12:13 AM Kelly Carl and you smoke in the safety of your home or an establishment
4/2/2010 4:12:24 AM Carl Kelly Its a Type #1 Narcotic by the Dept of Health above Heroine
4/2/2010 4:12:25 AM Kelly Carl nothing bad can ever come from it
4/2/2010 4:12:33 AM Kelly Carl it’s…not…a narcotic
4/2/2010 4:12:55 AM Carl Kelly Maybe its another word that starts with N
4/2/2010 4:13:00 AM Carl Kelly but it sounded like it..
4/2/2010 4:13:07 AM Kelly Carl ummm… :hmm no I
4/2/2010 4:13:08 AM Carl Kelly im tired
4/2/2010 4:13:09 AM Kelly Carl don’t think so.
4/2/2010 4:13:12 AM Carl Kelly I cant think of it
4/2/2010 4:13:13 AM Carl Kelly but
4/2/2010 4:13:21 AM Kelly Carl you getting this from another video you watched? :stuck_out_tongue:
4/2/2010 4:13:23 AM Carl Kelly its above heroine on the “danger” spectrum which is retarded
4/2/2010 4:13:46 AM Carl Kelly Eh, something on the war on drugs a long time ago
4/2/2010 4:13:54 AM Kelly Carl Yeah, I figured.
4/2/2010 4:14:11 AM Carl Kelly Mayb eI’ll have to watch it again just so that I can win an argument with you
4/2/2010 4:14:12 AM Kelly Carl and, if I remember my crimal charges correctly
4/2/2010 4:14:14 AM Kelly Carl it’s not true
4/2/2010 4:14:25 AM Kelly Carl quoting that video will not win an argument with me :stuck_out_tongue:
4/2/2010 4:14:32 AM Kelly Carl you were asking about drug culture before
4/2/2010 4:14:42 AM Kelly Carl I guess now is a fair time to try and give you an idea.
4/2/2010 4:14:55 AM Kelly Carl Different drugs fit in different social scenes because of the effects.
4/2/2010 4:15:01 AM Kelly Carl The reason in any movie with a rave
4/2/2010 4:15:05 AM Carl Kelly Well the issue I should say, is not drugs, its the DRUG WAR
4/2/2010 4:15:20 AM Kelly Carl everybody’s smiling and drinking water and falling around
4/2/2010 4:15:31 AM Kelly Carl because the sort of people who go to a rave are there “to have fun”
4/2/2010 4:15:48 AM Kelly Carl whether this is your light bright classic candy raver sort
4/2/2010 4:15:56 AM Kelly Carl or a more grungey rock and roll sort
4/2/2010 4:15:59 AM Carl Kelly yeah and the assholes ruin it for peopel whoa ctually like rave music and dancing
4/2/2010 4:16:01 AM Kelly Carl you’re gonna have X
4/2/2010 4:16:03 AM Kelly Carl MDMA
4/2/2010 4:16:05 AM Kelly Carl Acid
4/2/2010 4:16:07 AM Kelly Carl Shrooms
4/2/2010 4:16:11 AM Kelly Carl speed
4/2/2010 4:16:19 AM Kelly Carl prrrobably coke
4/2/2010 4:16:37 AM Kelly Carl Because they make you happy, they make you feel awesome, attractive, they make you see pretty colors
4/2/2010 4:16:52 AM Kelly Carl for most of these sorts of people, it’s a night off from real life
4/2/2010 4:16:58 AM Kelly Carl and for some, it becomes a sad lifestyle
4/2/2010 4:17:10 AM Kelly Carl where they’re hunting down the next rave every week, barely showering
4/2/2010 4:17:20 AM Kelly Carl etc. etc.
4/2/2010 4:17:40 AM Kelly Carl Go to a house party in new york, guarentee you
4/2/2010 4:17:45 AM Kelly Carl the pot heads are in the living room being social
4/2/2010 4:17:56 AM Kelly Carl drinkers near them, grabbing beers from the fridge
4/2/2010 4:18:12 AM Kelly Carl then, in a closed bedroom, you’ll have your heroin users and pillsnorters
4/2/2010 4:18:25 AM Kelly Carl never seen anyone shoot up at a house party, tends to be more of a
4/2/2010 4:18:28 AM Kelly Carl household addiction
4/2/2010 4:18:33 AM Kelly Carl when you have needles
4/2/2010 4:18:36 AM Kelly Carl they snort it
4/2/2010 4:18:38 AM Carl Kelly I’ve seen Requiem For a Dream
4/2/2010 4:18:45 AM Kelly Carl that’s nice
4/2/2010 4:18:47 AM Kelly Carl good flick
4/2/2010 4:18:49 AM Carl Kelly Its pretty devestating
4/2/2010 4:18:57 AM Kelly Carl watched it 2 days after my friend died from a heroin OD
4/2/2010 4:18:59 AM Kelly Carl bad idea!
4/2/2010 4:19:04 AM Carl Kelly I know its just a movie, but its pretty realistic
4/2/2010 4:19:16 AM Carl Kelly about drug lives
4/2/2010 4:19:20 AM Kelly Carl :noid
4/2/2010 4:19:34 AM Kelly Carl ummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm :hmm it’s a good artistic representation
4/2/2010 4:19:38 AM Kelly Carl I wouldn’t call it realistic
4/2/2010 4:19:48 AM Carl Kelly lol this guy makes excellent points on the war on drugs
4/2/2010 4:19:49 AM Carl Kelly # The drug war has maimed, traumatized, or displaced uncounted numbers of people. # In spite of it, drug use has remained embedded in the way we live. # The costs of drug prohibition now far outweigh any possible benefits. # Penalizing drug use drives otherwise law-abiding people into the criminal economy.
4/2/2010 4:20:12 AM Kelly Carl :lolbullshit
4/2/2010 4:20:16 AM Carl Kelly # Prohibition exposes drug users to major health risks. # Illegal drugs can’t easily be tested for quality and toxicity. # A great many drug users in years past lived productive lives before drugs were banned. # Drug users face inflated prices, health risks, and the threat of jail. # Politicians who have used drugs have not suffered any significant political fallout. # The extreme profit rea
4/2/2010 4:20:25 AM Carl Kelly # The extreme profit reaped from selling illegal drugs corrupts institutions and wrecks lives. # The antidrug crusade in Mexico has escalated into something like low-intensity warfare. # Some states have been more or less wholly captured by drug money
4/2/2010 4:20:39 AM Kelly Carl Load
4/2/2010 4:20:39 AM Kelly Carl of
4/2/2010 4:20:40 AM Kelly Carl shit
4/2/2010 4:20:43 AM Kelly Carl where is the back up?
4/2/2010 4:20:44 AM Kelly Carl where?
4/2/2010 4:20:46 AM Kelly Carl it’s not there
4/2/2010 4:20:49 AM Kelly Carl wonder why
4/2/2010 4:21:00 AM Kelly Carl no SHIT drug users face inflated prices
4/2/2010 4:21:00 AM Carl Kelly it is
4/2/2010 4:21:02 AM Kelly Carl ITS ILLEGAL
4/2/2010 4:21:04 AM Carl Kelly He sources a book
4/2/2010 4:21:05 AM Kelly Carl and DANGEROUS
4/2/2010 4:21:20 AM Kelly Carl if I want to go buy myself an illegal tiger
4/2/2010 4:21:29 AM Kelly Carl you’re damn fucking right it’s going to be expensive
4/2/2010 4:21:32 AM Kelly Carl should I lobby for that?
4/2/2010 4:21:39 AM Kelly Carl I have the right to own illegal animals because
4/2/2010 4:21:41 AM Kelly Carl I want them
4/2/2010 4:21:43 AM Kelly Carl and
4/2/2010 4:21:50 AM Kelly Carl you waste your time throwing me in jail
4/2/2010 4:21:54 AM Kelly Carl for animal smuggling
4/2/2010 4:21:57 AM Kelly Carl yeah, I think that’s good
4/2/2010 4:21:59 AM Kelly Carl I’ll go with it
4/2/2010 4:22:34 AM Kelly Carl In fact, why is anything illegal?
4/2/2010 4:22:38 AM Kelly Carl if I want to do it
4/2/2010 4:22:43 AM Kelly Carl you’re wasting time and money catching me!
4/2/2010 4:22:48 AM Kelly Carl I’m going to do it anyway!
4/2/2010 4:22:51 AM Kelly Carl ANARCHY!

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well, it’s not that her personal experience with these people/drugs is totally invalid, and it’s not as if anyone wants people to be doing drugs and harming people, but the question is: how do we prevent that?

Sounds like a good convo though, at least she’s smart. And compassionate. Good traits to have imo.

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Any good articles on this? I was going to argue private property, like Walter’s argument on how the market protects animals better.

Quite rare too…I mostly stay single because I feel that women are burdensome. I want someone who is enjoyable to be around, not clingy…

I just hope I don’t sink her respect for me from our debates. Though, I can’t say it woudl be worth trying to avoid them.

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I don’t know any good articles. I just know that every action has a cost. The cost of keeping a lot of drugs illegal is that a lot of people get thrown in jail and that black markets develop around these drugs and that makes them more dangerous/expensive to get. I mean just because they legalize them doesn’t mean they can’t regulate the drugs. They can tax them. Not necessarily the ideal solution but something worth considering and taxing and regulating is something most lefties like. But maybe, for her, it’s worth keeping them illegal so she feels like she’s helping to protect people and for her that price is worth any amount of ineffectiveness or inefficiency or injustice. I cannot say though, I don’t know her.

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So maybe just for argument’s sake… I should avoid hinting at my Anarcho-Capitalist views..

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I dunno, does she even know what anarcho-capitalism is? I mean if someone had told me like…4 or 5 years ago, before I ever learned anything about this stuff, that there were systems of thought that didn’t involve government, I’d have laughed. I still do find some anarcho-capitalist ideas to be pretty extreme and I come on this site everyday, I’ve got like 2k posts. Know what I mean?

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You can’t stop people from doing what they want to do. Banning products just leads to black markets, were entrepreneurs are replaced by very dangerous criminals, eventually leading to brutal gang wars. The government spends trillions trying to prevent people from harming themselves, and all in vein.

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I’m sure it helps some people but at what cost? I mean every government program is going to help someone. The programs/agendas get pushed for a reason. But who really benefits (or should I say how many really benefit and how many see no benefit whatsoever and how many are somewhere in between?) And at whose expense?