DiLorenzo and Paul on Capital Hill

IMHO, I don’t think that would be a good idea.

The truth is Austrian’s do not reject the scientific method, nor do they reject empiricism. AE’s does not reject science. Any good scientist is going to tell you that you go into testing with various aprioristic beliefs, prior to testing. This is how you interpret the data. On the flip side, absent any theory, you can come up with all kinds of random conclusions. Which is what modern economics does.

Furthermore Clay does not understand that social sciences cannot be empirically tested as physical sciences are.

So Dilo is now a seccesionist nationalist. My brain is still trying to wrap around that.

Also Mr. Clay seems to employ a poor staff as he says they were having a hard time finding economic literature.

LMGTFY

Dixienet doesn’t even show up on the first page, wtf Clay???

Clay’s remarks were nothing more than an attempt at character assassination. I don’t understand why he wasn’t interrupted and asked what his statements had to do with, well, anything.

You could hear his outcry in the background. He probably had to practice a great deal of restraint. That was rediculous.

Essentially: I don’t have time to argue economic theory with you, so let me just tell you your theory is wrong, your evil, and let me assert sime misinformation about your beliefs. Now I won’t ask any questions of you. Let me move on to the next guy before you can respond.

Bam!

Thanks FunkedUp,

For people looking for Clay’s words directed at DiLorenzo forward to 53:00

Well does he belong to League of the South or not? League of the South is an organization with those characteristics. If he ‘teaches’ there regularly, it seems suspicious. Since it would seem to indicate his views are not even limited to libertarianism… but towards the specifically cultural views of the LoS. Which are not libertarian at all. And, in fact, are not even economical either. This is the same as Gary North who is also on this website and is not a libertarian. But, like the LoS, wants a theocracy. If Dilorenzo has no such goal in mind, he either has not been a part of this group. Or mistakenly was a part of this group.

And has he been spending more time on history than economics? Both of these questions seem fair points. Though, his work or classes on economics would speak for themselves. no matter when they were written.

I find it also ridiculous that anyone would want to be in League of the South. And his history and ideological views would seem to indicate that he doesn’t have any intent on working within state system. Which is the point of discourse between politicians: to make the state run more efficiently. But instead he wants to dismantle it. He can’t call the state names and be a tireless rebel, and then want to play nice and demand respect from it. The state, in his own view, is a ‘criminal organization’. Does Dr. Dilorenzo try to engage with the Mafia or Yukuza? Al-Qaeda? The Juggalos?

This is why Ron Paul’s crusade against the Fed is a waste of time. People who want anarchism or whatever are wasting their time in politics. People have been conditioned, especially politicians, to want the government. Paul’s whole beef with the fed is that it creates larger government through printing. But politicians want government; it’s why they are in the game.

People here just have to face that anarchism is not acceptable within the statist paradigm. The statists know where even ‘limited government’ is headed: for them finding another or harder job. In addition to this, the statist paradigm relies on a ‘margins’ of society: nazis, gang members, anarchists, communists, pedophiles, neo-confederates, hippies, punks, terrorists, etc. The louder these people are the better for them. And so regardless of content, they can all be lumped together in order to further the myth of state’s directive of order. They are protecting the Silent Majority against these beasts. The longer you are a political person outside of the paradigm, the more likely you are to fall victim to this. Though, obviously many people are in these groups.

Austrian economics makes sense. But it is very unlikely that someone will take to it, unless they want to. The ideology of the majority is too compelling to switch to some economic theory like it. Someone posted an article in Public choice from the 80s about political revolution. Something called ‘sparks and prairie fires’ by Timur Kuran. Most people will accept or reject Austrian economics, based simply on how risky it is to do so. Ron Paul had a small window of doing this during the 2008 election when he could ride the coat tails of anti-war sentiment, pulling liberals over into something they didn’t expect: a conservative consistent on non-violence. But this has long since passed. His glaring weaknesses combined with the Tea Party’s disastrous johnny come lately ‘anti-government’ rhetoric have stolen his thunder. During the election it seemed like no one was talking about government but him. But now every empty suit in town is trying to ride that gravy train. Including his son; who also turned out to be a disaster for Libertarianism. So he just seems like that short guy from Texas.

Bam!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xPhyN4Ev6ck&feature=player_embedded

Thanks for posting this, I missed the beginning.

Well does he belong to League of the South or not? League of the South is an organization with those characteristics. If he ‘teaches’ there regularly, it seems suspicious.

DiLo has talked there, as has Woods, because he dislikes the constant ridicule and falsified history about the South and especially the Civil War. DiLorenzo is an anarchist.

This is why Ron Paul’s crusade against the Fed is a waste of time.

Oh, I know that. I think he knows that.

Including his son; who also turned out to be a disaster for Libertarianism.

I am not sure why so many people consider Rand Paul to be a libertarian, incl. on this website.

I was more under the impression he was a minarchist. Though, I heard that Woods has recently become an anarchist.

Shouldn’t he at least know that LoS is before he speaks there? Whatever the truth about the south, the LoS is not against the stereotype. They are very much the actual stereotype. Barring some things like slavery and lynching and overalls. I live in the South, and I certainly don’t think they speak for me. In fact, I don’t really see much difference in myself caused by being in the south, really. And fewer and fewer people actually do.

The problem is that Woods and Dilorenzo, be they anarchists or not, have not broken the addiction to politics and political language. They are still into crap like nullification and constitution and secession rights. As if all of that stuff isn’t just hocus pocus like the rest of the state. As if Lincoln is a deviation from anything worth wanting.

I find people would be much less stressed and have much more integrity when and if they don’t involve themselves in politics.

Where did you hear this from? Or could anyone confirm? He has a good public image and speaks very well. He makes for great PR on libertarianism/anarchism.

You seem to know little about Thomas DiLorenzo and a lot about the League of the South. I find that suspicious.

Proof?

DiLorenzo teaches economics at Loyola Baltimore. That’s his full time job.

What are you trying to ask? Are you asking if DiLorenzo is amember of the League of the South? I doubt he is; but, you could email him about it.

Here you go, Mahall. I watched this about 5 months ago or so, so I’m not sure where Woods says it, but it’s in here:

PS: I love Doug Casey. He’s not involved in a lot of media so when he gets the chance he repeats himself a lot, makes the same points, and uses similar language, but man I love listening to him. Especially in his recent interview with Stefan Molyneux (FYI, I’m not a total Molyneux fan boy really, just sayin’ )

I would have responded with,

"First of all, both the mainstream and the Austrian school employ deductive reasoning and what is known as the scientific method. It is not the case that the Austrians reject empirical evidence; in fact, many Austrian economists do a lot of empirical work in many areas, including, for example, monetary theory and business cycle analysis. Additionally, it’s not the case that the mainstream dismisses discursive reasoning. All economic models, including mathematical models, are based on certain assumptions and deductive reasoning. Both the mainstream and the Austrian school hold many of the same assumptions, and this is due to the fact that the mainstream has deep Austrian roots. Now obviously there are few assumptions that the Austrian’s hold which are rejected by the mainstream, but there aren’t many.

Next, regarding the merit of Austrian theory, I simply ask that you use Milton Friedman’s test of a good theory, namely its ability to explain real world economic phenomena. I believe that the Austrian framework can best explain the conditions we see today.”

I probably would have quoted a few passages from Wicksell, who explicitly said that a potential consequence of a credit expansion could be a relative overproduction of houses and a relative scarcity of consumer goods such as foodstuffs, which would appear later in the process. But of course DiLorenzo was not given a chance to respond. Unfortunately, this hearing will probably perpetuate the myth that Austrians are nothing but anti-government racist radicals who confuse science with religion.

I was more under the impression he was a minarchist. Though, I heard that Woods has recently become an anarchist.

Nah, you can follow some of his blog posts and lectures and see he’s not.

They are still into crap like nullification and constitution and secession rights. As if all of that stuff isn’t just hocus pocus like the rest of the state.

Meh, it can be a frustration with the limited scope of peoples’ vision. I’m interested in confederalism for the same reason. Also, it’s not totally worthless. You can easily imagine many of these principles applying to private incorporated entities as well as states. They derive from European contractual society, which most modern governments at least pretend to be.

As if Lincoln is a deviation from anything worth wanting.

No, but he’s worse than just about anything.

I find people would be much less stressed and have much more integrity when and if they don’t involve themselves in politics.

Beh, it’s just a hobby. Nothing to take seriously.

mahall

I believe he first said this on his PBS appearance, which also included Doug Casey.

edit: posted above.

You’re absolutely correct, Esuric. There is an interplay between theory and evidence.

“DiLorenzo teaches economics at Loyola Baltimore. That’s his full time job.”

You know professors. They have about 6 grueling hours of work per week. Some years nothing. And call it ‘full time’.

Who knows what he does the rest of the time.

about Gary North: see the ‘religion and anarchism’ thread. Or Gary North’s own wikipedia page with book and page numbers of his greatest hits. He is a Christian Reconstructionist. And when he speaks at the Mises Institute, Christian Theocracy becomes connected with the goals of Mises and Rothbard. I really don’t think it is a good idea for groups with opposite values of Mises and Rothbard to be associated them. While Dilorenzo knows his stuff, I’m doubting League of the South has much care for Mises or Rothbard. They want him to talk about mean old Lincoln or nullification. So they can nullify things not even to do with libertarianism. And worship Jefferson Davis.

And when he speaks at the Mises Institute, Christian Theocracy becomes connected with the goals of Mises and Rothbard.

This is goofy. When Gabriel Kolko is invited to speak at libertarian conferences, libertarianism does not become connected with Marxism. Some people will look for anything to descredit the Mises Insitute - who cares? People that aren’t able to actually look into substantive ideas and differences are worthless, anyways.

You criticize people for dealing in a political arena, but you seem to have the same populist and poilitically correct fixations they do. Personally, I’m willing to hear a Nazi speak if he’s got something worth hearing. It doesn’t imply I think Gypsies should be driven out of Europe.

I’m sure he grades papers and has office hours too. He also teaches at the Mises Academy. Being an academic, I’m sure he read and writes a lot too.