Evolution = Libertarianism and Creationism = Totalitarianism, and a question

The very much established - just to get that out of the way - field of evolutionary biology has already found its way into libertarian political thinking (see Michael Shermer: Mind of the Market), and there is quite rightly so an affinity between the ideas of Darwin’s self-regulatory nature and Smith’s self-regulatory market system. Even religion has lately come under scrutiny by evolutionary thinkers (see Daniel Dennett: Breaking the Spell); and for some time now the wonderful theories of Maxine Sheets-Johnstone on the evolution of Thinking and Experiencing have been out there (see Sheets-Johnstone: The Roots of Thinking and Sheets-Johnstone: The Primacy of Movement).

An idea behind libertarian thinking (originating in writing with Adam Smith) is that human interaction naturally falls into certain - often beneficial - patterns so that our societies and our markets tend to be the result of the coalescence of diverse, sometimes antagonistic, interests. Libertarians (and I am such) tend to believe that this proces produces just, happy and productive societies and individuals if just simply left alone; that societies form properly from the bottom-up, and that they are more often than not disturbed or even destroyed from the top-down.

There is a parallel to the creationists of modern day. They, like socialist politicians, believe that because they cannot fathom the complex bottom-up operations that create the equilibria of organic and economic systems, it must have then been created by a outside agent operating for the good of all. The fundamentalist religious people view god as the great creator of order and good in the world, just like socialists view the state as the creator of organised society. No such thing, they postulate - be it about organisms, markets, or societies - could just have happened without some supreme guidance.

Now, there is somewhat of a challenge in this way of thinking - that we as a species tend to organise ourselves and our interactions from the bottom-up. The challenge is that I simply don’t believe that free societies arise naturally. Judging from history, it seems to take a great deal of effort. Historically, it has involved writing constitutions and contracts between free men (sorry, not between free women), establishing non-partisan courts and arbitration system, dismantling the men (again, not women) in power and often dismantling their heads as well. Free societies - or the constitutional approximations that we see today - have taken the courage of a million soldiers and the minds of a thousand thinkers. That, to my mind, seems to be the case, anyway. Societies, left by their own devices at the mercy of the ignorance of men, develop horribly seen from the vantage point of individual freedom: They become riddled with dictators, pharaohs, kings, lords, shoguns, and caliphs. Freedom takes an effort. Right?

Here’s my problem: If it takes an effort to create (approximations of) free societies, does it not also take an effort to maintain free societies? And what shape does this effort take if not that particularly ghastly top-down popularity contest called parliamentarism with all its lobbying, all its interpretations, all its laws and adjudications? All its modern America, and Britain, and Europe.

Anyone?

It requires steadfast conviction and willingness to endure more pain than your statist adversaries. The person who outlast everyone else will win. This is a matter of personal conviction, not of how ethical your position you are.

For example, my dad got fussy about my room being messy so he demanded that I clean up. I put up with some beating and other assorted effort to convince me. Than he said that he will not leave my room until my room is cleaned up. So I offer him a compromise that I will clean up after he leave the room. He refuse to accept the compromise.

Eventually after about 45-60 minutes he gave up. I did as I promise to make sure he didn’t get fussy next time. The victory goes to me.

Sure, I took lot of pain and could have gotten my father out of my room hours much faster by doing as I told but that doesn’t suit with my desire to become an independent young adult(I am 17).

I’ve thought about that. And I think it’s the wrong conclusion.

Evolution (beginning with the Big Bang) states that the modern universe was evolved from the bottom-up by forces of nature over billions of years. Particles evolved into atoms, atoms evolved into molecules, molecules evolved into cells, and primates evolved into humans.

Intelligent design simply states that the cosmos could not have come into existence without an intelligent designer, be it a god or an extraterrestrial-being. (Even Francis Crick, who helped discover the structure of the DNA molecule, stated that it was to complex to have been developed by natural forces, and must have been created by some sort of alien being.)

How does this compare with Austrian economics? The Austrian school stresses the importance of living, conscious beings deliberately maximizing utility on the free market. That makes it closer to ID the evolution, in my opinion. Economic schools that pretend that all economic activities are the inevitable result of complicated theories and formulas and downplay the importance of individual choice are closer the evolution.

I’d also like to point out that evolution is promoted using a highly elitist tone that is antithetical to liberty and the free market. Many evolutionist refuse to debate creationists publicly so as not to give the “credibility”. The attitude is “I have a Nobel Prize, and you don’t.”

I read a few years back in Scientific American about a team of scientists working on a project involving atomic physics. Some of the scientists won the Nobel Prize, and a few did not, even thought they all worked together on the same project. The difference? Some were high-ranking members of Creationist and ID organizations, and the others were not.

I’d like to point out evolution is highly subsidized by government. Universities and laboratories staffed with evolutionists are given billions of tax dollars, ensuring that the latest discoveries are always interpreted from an evolutionist point-of-view. Students are then indoctrinated to accept the evolutionist theories through free and compulsory education. It’s no wonder that intelligent design theorists have difficulty combatting evolution; the evolutionists, after all, have every resource at their disposal.

My point is, if we had a free market in science and education (completely voluntary funding), intelligent design might becoming the prevailing theory.

Who designed the designer?

Ask Mr. Crick.

Why, the undesigned designer!

What it takes is the elimination of fear, and the endowment of responsibility. Things tend to work okay the less rules there are. By “okay” I mean that they are always full of vitality and progress. Dictators and authoritative states always fail because of disobedience. When all must be directed to pursue a goal, everything must work as a machine, with nothing going wrong regardless of its size or importance.

As far as these states and empires are concerned in view of evolution, they are all dead ends. They have not obtained their objective to continue their empire(offspring) into eternity. This is so because machines such as empires are ruled from the top down, from the finish line to the starting line. They define a goal and then pursue it. But authority needs to be there to keep people focused on that goal. If one worker strays, the goal can not be accomplished.

That is what is wrong with utopian societies: they and their people have a goal to pursue. When people have no goals to pursue, that is what keeps a free society free. But nothing is going to stay free because man has desires and the ability to put them into action. There will still be murder and theft, but maybe not war and taxation.

If children just create a task too have fun, no one will lose. But when things become as to have point, rules are needed to pursue that point. And those rules keep the task stagnant and atrophic. The children may have more fun when they see what has become of them just creating a plan with no purpose, or they may not.

So to keep a “free society” free, will itself become a state in order to pursue that goal of liberty. We must give up goals and pursue creation, for the sake of itself, with no goal in mind.

Sorry, reading Nietzche lately.

Looks perfectly fine to me.

Evolution has nothing to do with cosmology.

We are still primates.

And statists, especially those of the Hobbesian bend, think that civilization/co-operation can’t happen without a government, especially a Supreme Sovereign. The sovereign makes everyone co-operate and provides them the framework in which to have their good lives, rather than the sum of the interactions providing the framework.

IOW: you’re not helping your case.

Yes, and without some overall designer. Unlike literalist-biblical-creationism-in-a-lab-coat AKA intelligent design (cdesign proponentsists, according to a revision of Of Pandas and People)

No, it’s not, actually. It’s no different from being “elitist” about promoting that 2 + 2 = 4, rather than 5.

The same as why Spheroid Earthers don’t debate Flat Earthers.

Including the most important: facts.

ID isn’t even a theory; it’s a disingenuous emotive ejaculation.

One must wonder in what possible world would ID supplant the theory of evolution due to a mere absence of the state.

Hahaha “ID”.

ID is creationism. There is almost no difference.

Don’t be silly; creationism is scientifically proven!

I have several pages of Hovind’s “dissertation” as PDF. In case anyone is a masochist and wants it.

Yes it does.

I understand that. My point is, Austrian economics emphasizes the importance rational economic actors that think and choose. Evolution, regardless of whether you are dealing with “cosmic evolution” or “biological evolution” (which are both the same concept, and differ only in place and time) only deals with unthinking atoms and molecules.

The only difference between ID and Austrian economics is the number of thinking, choosing agents.

Maybe one where 51% reject evolution and likely would not fund institutions that promote it, if given the choice.

No, it does not. Evolution is a concept in BIOLOGY, not COSMOLOGY (except in metaphorical terms). There’s a world of difference, and you need to acquaint yourself with it.

Without some overall guiding figure, as ID would have.

No. ID is simply garbage piled on top of garbage. It is akin to Hobbesian sovereign lumped with Keynesian directives.

Well, perhaps in that microcosm. Naturally, majority assent means nothing for the theory’s credibility, and I am dubious as to whether the relevant demographic, i.e. academia, will change their minds on this. Natural sciences are not as pliable as social sciences are, and thus there’s far fewer incorrect theories to be consigned to the dustbin with the death of the state. Besides, what possible advantage does the state have in spreading evolutionary theory? It is an anachronism itself.

And yes, I do think the majority opinion matters in this case. Who is going to shell out for these overpaid, professional Ivory Tower navel-gazers, anyway? Methinks that without tax-funded universities and public schools, Darwin will go the way of the dinosaur.

“The average university is a sanctuary in which exploded systems and obsolete prejudices find shelter and protection after they have been hunted out of every other corner of the world.”
– Adam Smith

Just like that whole gravity thing and electromagnetic theory. Yep. Without tax-funded schools, kids will learn the TRUTH: some deity holds us on the planet, and electricity is magic.

Ok, then tell me: how will schools that teach evolution thrive in an economy where 51% of the consumers/investors disapprove of evolution? At best, Darwinism will only fill a niche market.