Fair trials?

In the United States, the government would have us believe that we are entitled to a fair trial (Sixth Amendment).

However, how can one have a fair trial if there is a conflict of interest? What I am getting at is that in every criminal case in the United States, the judge represents the state and the state is the complaining party!! Whether it is a speeding ticket or a murder trial, in all criminal trial cases, the judge represents the state and the state is always the complaining party. Now granted, in some cases there is a jury, and I would say this does mitigate the unfairness of the trial somewhat. Of course, the state has made it illegal for the defense attorney to advise the jury that they can nullify.

Now, this is nothing necessarily new to any of you, however, I had never really thought about it before running across Marc Stevens and his book Adventures in Legal Land. I think this guy is a freaking genius. He shows just how inconsistent and what a fraud the U.S. legal system is.

No, the complaining party is the district attorney, the judge is in the judicial branch.

That would be nice to believe, that judges are impartial arbiters of the Constitution and the prosecution is really concerned about justice, but I see little of that. In fact I see the opposite. I saw 9 justices vote against Miss Kelo when the state came and stole her property when the Constitution has Public Use not Public Benefit as the standard to take property. I hear of case after case of police being let off free of crimes and cases where citizens are harassed and railroaded into jail cells.

Have you ever looked at a case? Every single one says “State of (whatever) vs. Jon Smith” or whomever. Who represents the State, if not the judge and the prosecuting attorney, both of whom have sworn loyalty to the state? Or for that matter, who pays the district attorney and the judge? Are you a democrat?

Checks and balances don’t work, especially in regards to the executive branch which has most power over enforcement. I used to respect the Constitution but now I’m wondering if the Founding Fathers even realized the possible consequences of this document.

Good point. I am anything but democrat.

Sure. That is why it was adopted.

Not everyone agreed to sign it.

No one signed the Constitution. It is just four pages with writing on it.

Because they knew what it was about.

Should have stuck to their guns! [:'(]

None of the now living. I was talking about the Congress, there were disagreements even among them.

No really, no one has ever signed the Constitution. The supposed “signers” only signed that they were witness to it. They did not sign that they agreed to it.

And that is the truth.

Great thread.

True that. But the states ratified it. Now the question is, how legitimate were the states that ratified the Constitution?

I wonder what would have happened if at least one of the states didn’t ratify it?

Here’s the breakdown. Looks like it was a close call in at least a couple of places.

Ratification of the Constitution

Date

State

Votes

Yes

No

1

December 7, 1787

Delaware

30

0

2

December 11, 1787

Pennsylvania

46

23

3

December 18, 1787

New Jersey

38

0

4

January 2, 1788

Georgia

26

0

5

January 9, 1788

Connecticut

128

40

6

February 6, 1788

Massachusetts

187

168

7

April 26, 1788

Maryland

63

11

8

May 23, 1788

South Carolina

149

73

9

June 21, 1788

New Hampshire

57

47

10

June 25, 1788

Virginia

89

79

11

July 26, 1788

New York

30

27

12

November 21, 1789

North Carolina

194

77

13

May 29, 1790

Rhode Island

34

32

as Lysander Spooner pointed out, men would have to be mad to agree to the ‘Constitution’, in fact no one did and even if they did, they could not bind their descendants to obedience of it.

I am strongly inclined to call myself a Contractarian anymore.

I need to read some Lysander Spooner stuff. Marc references him in his book.

Here is a Sean Gabb video where he talks to a group of conservatives and libertarians about rejecting the English constitution.

http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=-1760896777516663004

Lysander Spooner’s No Treason

Is that not the reason for jury trial?