Final Arbiters

On another thread, a certain poster is critiquing private courts by saying there is no final arbiter, so people would not have to agree to arbitration. This issue only appears because of semantic fuzziness in the English language.

There is no ONE final arbiter for all cases.

However, for any given case, there is a final arbiter. (You guys are right - #662 by Amanojack)

See the difference? With that, the objection becomes moot. I made this a separate post because I think it’s important everyone see this. We need to be aware of logical fallacies and how language can easily mislead us (and our opponents).

Like to see that trick again? “Hey, there is no final arbiter! So I can just take my case elsewhere until I find an arbiter I like.” Certainly, there is no one final arbiter for all cases (like a Supreme Court), but as Rothbard explains, for any given case there is a way of determining a final arbiter. So, although there is no one final arbiter for all cases, all cases do have a final arbiter.

“If he does nothing, the court’s judgment proceeds against him.”

Who proceeds against him?

“Arriving at a decision and then allowing chaotic gunplay would scarcely be considered valuable judicial service by their customers.”

The hell it wouldn’t! I want a court that’s going to fight for me, since I can’t call the police.

“In short, every court would agree to abide by an appeals trial, as decided by a voluntary arbitrator to whom Metropolitan and Prudential would now turn. The appeals judge would make his decision, and the result of this third trial would be treated as binding on the guilty.”

Who is going to force the courts to abide by the appeals trial? And why would their ruling be any more binding than the last two? There’s no force behind it! Besides, I can just go to another court.

“it seems most sensible for the legal code to declare that a decision arrived at by any two courts shall be binding.”

Who’s going to enforce this one??

“As for the number of courts, that one is indeed like asking how many burger bars, in the sense that the market must decide and we cannot know.”

There may be tens or hundreds or thousands? Who’s going to enforce the decisions of all of them? Private defense contractors? What if I set up a Bloom’s Criminal Court and hire THE most powerful private defense firm to back up my rulings? Who’s going to stop me from serving criminals everywhere?

“To demand that an advocate of free market law describe in advance how markets would supply legal services (or shoes) is to issue an impossible challenge.”

Except that I’ve seen how shoes are provided in a free market, I’ve never seen how law is provided in one.

“Free markets supply human wants better than state monopolies precisely because they allow an unlimited number of suppliers to attempt to do so.”

Except that with shoes, there is no one shoe that consistently fits everyone. With laws, there has to be one consistent law that is one size fits all. Otherwise, everyone gets their own shape and size of law…that’s a recipe for chaos.

“The beauty of the free market is that all each person has to look after is his or her own self-interest, but this “magically” results in great prosperity for all. There need be no central planner.”

If you let pure self interest run the law, you won’t be able to enforce your rules because criminals commit crimes because it’s in their interest to do so. What gives you the power to tell them they’re not serving their self interest? Markets are variable sum games. Law is zero sum. You have a winner and a loser. Free markets are not compatible with legal systems for precisely the same reason free markets work so well with goods and assets: because everyone can’t get what they want under the law, some people have to get what they don’t want.

The concept of “self-interest” is an ultimate human given. You cannot remove self-interest. The agents of a monopolized arbitration agency (i.e., a state) are just as self-interested at the agents of a non-monopolized arbitration agency (i.e., a private arbitration agency). Either way, “pure self interest run[s ] the law”.

What gets driven out in such situations is the transparency and impersonal exchange that typifies Anglo and Western European business. The guys at Tires Plus will fix your car just like they’d fix their cousin’s car. But in places where there’s no idea of a uniform rule of law, you only deal with family, because the guys who aren’t from your village will cut corners when it comes to fixing your car and since the judge isn’t your third or second cousin, you’re just SOL. End result, division of labor is stunted and living standards deteriorate.

Basically, you get an economy that runs on who you know, not what you know. Since that’s not sustainable and most people will vote with their feet to leave it, I think anarchy will be more along the lines of neo-feudalism. People will join, for lack of a better term, “fees” in order to enjoy higher living standards enabled by impersonal exchange. These fees will negotiate among themselves for uniform commercial codes and sojourners’ rights for their subscribers.

Over time, these fees will evolve into hereditary institutions.

The enforcement agency, probably the one that brought the case against the defendent. Remember that the reason the enforcement agency doesn’t throw him in jail without a trial is that it would be seen as an outlaw firm, and would get action taken on it by other PDAs whose customers do not want rogue PDAs running around jailing people. Once they have a final ruling by a generally accepted court (or two courts, if needed) of law, they could then proceed to dispense punishment without fear of retribution or loss of reputation.

That’s what a PDA is for: (I’m not expecting an itemized response to this long passage; I’m just saying it will probably help clear up the matter for you, thereby making our discussion more interesting and useful.)

If the court didn’t abide by the appreals trial, no one would use them because they don’t follow convention. That would just be a waste of money and time for all parties involved. Their ruling would be binding by convention (meaning generally accepted operating procedures), and then no one could blame the enforcement agency for dealing out punishment (on the defendant they already hold in custody - assuming a criminal trial, not a civil suit). You can’t just go to another court, because the enforcement agency has you in custody, and will not likely respect your appeals. Their use of force against you now has the sanction of society via the free market and the system it has created.

See above.

Other PDAs and courts. And also, since there is no monopoly (no government), “THE most powerful private defense firm” would not be much more powerful than the others, and would be nothing compared to the others combined. Plus, there would be a natural suspicion of any court trying to establish a monopoly - remember, the most important guiding principle of this society is to avoid monopolies. So there will be strong market demand and hence profit incentive to crush monopolies.

That’s not exactly related to what you quoted, but that criticism is relevant to a degree. We don’t have tons of examples of a free market law systems, but we have a few good ones. Also, remember that international businesses have to rely on private arbiters in all areas where neither government of the two parties has jurisdiction. But even if you reject all of that, and the Law of the Sea, and the Law Merchant and such, we still come back to: do you really think monopoly is the best system? Surely it’s not too much of a stretch to believe that we can do better, and the private law systems so far, albeit limited, were very effective and efficient for at least a large number of cases, so it’s not a total reach or anything.

A monopoly show maker would have all sizes - nothing to be gained by losing customers who decide to go barefoot. In other words, our criticism of monopoly is not that monopolies don’t offer enough variety, and that anarchy would. Our criticism of monopoly is that it is inefficient and tends to be abusive, or in the case of justice, corrupt. Whether there is one size fits all or not depends on whether the particular industry in question is one where one-size-fits-all is more or less inefficient and abusive/corrupt. In shoes, the free market gives great variety, because consumers want it. In law, the system will give what consumers want as well, and that ought to be - as you say - more of a one-size-fits-all so there would be equal protection under the law. It gets confusing when we talk about different areas having different laws and such, but that equal protection would be there if the market demanded it, and of course it in all likelihood would. Any courts deviating from this would tend to lose business from the PDAs, because if not then the PDAs would lose customers because they do not adhere to the standard justice that most people find appealing. Just because there are multiple firms doesn’t mean that there can’t be standards (ISO is a counterexample to that general notion). I know there will be more objections here, but that’s to be expected: remember how different this is from the current system. Don’t let the number of uncertainties you may have about anarchy (as I did and still do on certain things) fool you into think that it can’t work. If we didn’t have myriad uncertainties and doubts, it could only mean it’s pretty similar to our current system and requires no questioning of our basic assumptions of how the world works.

I didn’t say that we allow everyone to serve their self-interest. Rephrasing what I wrote above, things work out best if everyone pursues their self-interest, as long as their are no monopolies. (“The power to tell them…?” What do you mean?)

As an aside, by the way, you are basically right about power, in that it does make possible, and in that “rights” are - practically speaking - just a shorthand for “what people are allowed (by those with power) to do.” If people talk about how things “should” be, we have to ask, “For what purpose?” Of course, not offending our natural human senses of empathy and justice is a purpose, too. Talk of morals and rights seems for more obfuscating than elucidating, especially when people don’t agree on definitions (which they seldom do on those two particular words - so I say scrap 'em!).

You’re mixing domains of activity. Markets are variable sum in the sense that exchange can benefit both parties to a market interaction. Law is zero sum in that (say in a civil suit for the sake of clarity), if litigant A sues litigant B, the punitive money paid by one will be money gained by another (the payment of punitive damages is not a free market exchange). However, when we talk about a free market for law, we are NOT* suggesting that punitive damages are a market interaction, we are saying that there is free competition (no monopoly) on who makes and enforces the law. (Again, competition does not imply lack of standards. See above.)

*Edit: typo, I forgot the “NOT”! That would be pretty confusing…

Even criminals want the law to protect them, and the only way the market can supply that service effectively is to provide equality under the law. In other words, whether they realise it or not, most criminals (even murderers) probably want the policy to be that anyone who kills anyone else should be punished severely. That they hope to escape punishment themselves is immaterial. In a free market, they would still have a demand for equality under the law, which would of course be asking and paying for something that could eventually come back to bite them. Or to be ultra-precise, they would have a consumer demand for equality for all persons except themselves, but they themselves would be the ONLY consumer paying for that, where every other consumer would be paying for that criminal to be subject to the law. So all you’re really saying is that being a criminal in anarchy would suck, as everyone is against you and everyone is paying to have you incarcerated, whereas you are the only one paying for your defense. In other words, going back to your statement, the market can provide for some people getting what they don’t want…if that’s what everyone wants[H]

Got a question:

What do you say to someone who keeps insisting that private courts would be biased and only rule in their customers favor and that these courts would survive because there would be a great demand for unbiased service? Afterall, why pay for an unbiased service when you can pay for one that will rule in your favor? Surely enough people will demand that kind of thing?

The purpose of courts is to resolve disputes: that’s why someone would join a private court in the first place. In order to do this, the court must be as unbiased as possible, because otherwise everyone who is disadvantaged by the bias will quit.

For example, if there was one court that was biased in favor of men, then its membership will consist almost entirely of men. Conversely, if another court was biased in favor of women, then its members would be almost all women. Then, if a man and woman had a dispute, then their courts could not resolve it, and neither party would have derived any benefit from their court memberships. Therefore, the incentive for customers is to seek unbiased courts, and the incentive for courts is to fulfill that demand.

I understand this, but how do you respond to someone who insists that there would be a substantial market for biased courts (courts that always rule in the favor of the person paying them)? And if people have the option of quitting, how are rulings enforced at all. Wouldn’t you just quit any time some court didn’t rule in your favor?

Also, does anyone know of any article or piece that deals with this issue of private law? Namely, the idea of bribery and “highest bidder wins” type criticisms against private courts?

Seems simple to me : a monopoly court is clearly most vulnerable to bribery and “highest bidder wins.”

I agree, but somehow I doubt that will be an effective argument against someone who doesn’t believe in private law.

What about someone who keeps insisting that there would be a overwhelming demand for biased courts (people want to hire judicial services that are going to rule on their behalf)? What creates the demand for unbiased justice, IOW.

Thanks.

Ultimately, the final arbiter is the court of public opinion.

Say I sue a restaurant for selling me food that caused food poisoning. We can argue day after day about who is in the right, and which arbitration service is the most reliable, but ultimately the restaurant has to vindicate itself before public scrutiny, or it goes out of business.

That’s where you went wrong.

Courts don’t fight. They are mediators that offer opinions. This is of course why quality courts will out compete biased ones, no one is going to agree to be bound by the decision of a biased court. And no one is going to care if someone “appeals” to a fraudulent court.

Well, do you demand unbiased justice? Do I? Yes. How many people do you think would be willing to pay for unbiased justice? A lot. The vast majority. So the market opportunity for a service offering unbiased justice is huge. So some companies will rise up to offer that service, and if they fail to remain unbiased, they will lose all that market share. Also, other companies would refuse to deal with them or enforce their ruling if they were biased.

Think about it this way: even a criminal wants unbiased justice for everyone else! So he would be numbered among those people willing to pay for the service of unbiased justice, and by extension they are willing to pay for a company not ever associating with rogue court or enforcing their orders. They are just as willing to take their business elsewhere the moment a court shows signs of bias, or any association with biased courts.

Let’s say I do not want unbiased justice, I want to use a court that will side with me, because I am paying them. It isn’t hard to think of lots of instances where individuals might want a court biased in their favor. What reason is there to believe that there wouldn’t be a significant market for that service other than the simple assertion that “most people demand unbiased justice.”

Just to clarify, I am fully in support of polycentric legal order, but these are the common most objections I have heard from doubters when I have discussed it. They insist that there would be a significant demand for such thing.

Let us theorize that A and B goes to Court X and Court X is a biased court for individual A. A wins but B appeals. B goes to Court Z that is biased for B and B wins the appeal. Court X and Court Z’s claims are now contradictory. So X and Z go to a third court system. Court Y hears the cases of both X and Z and rules in favor of the winner.

People figure out when dishonesty is occurring. An unbiased court, thus I would say one based on natural rights, will receive the highest demand. Dishonesty occurs now in the court rooms based on arbitrary, non-universal decisions, thus, they are biased. People are locked by a government monopoly and thus coerced into a limited choice as to what court can be used today even if the court is dishonest and bias. There is nothing in the current system, and this goes for government institutions in general, that keeps itself honest - no mechanism exists in the current system. At least in an anarchy society if dishonesty happens, then without the monopoly there is a mechanism in the society for honest court systems to prevail.

Of course everyone wants biased justice favoring themselves, but for each individual that market demand is separate so it’s a minuscule market from the point of view of a justice company.

Say we have a court has consistent rulings (if it didn’t, soon no one would deal with it). Now say Joe is willing to pay that court to be biased for him. If it retains consistent rulings, the court is now biased for Joe, but for no one else. It might lose all its other customers.

But then the objection naturally arises: what if a court goes easy on thieves, so all thieves subscribe to that court’s adjudication services. This objection still has two problems.

  1. If I am an ordinary person and someone in the “thieves’ guild” steals from me, his court will rule for him, and my court will likely rule for me, so the two courts - being established in the legal system - will have a preset third arbiter designated in case of disputed rulings. The problem for the thief-friendly court is that, in negotiating who will be the third arbiter, the other court will demand that it be an anti-theft court, or else they would refuse to associate with the thieves’ court. That would be a death sentence, business-wise, for the thieves’ court. They would be a rogue court and shunned by society (assuming they somehow weren’t already), so no punitive company would follow their rulings, lest they be shunned as well. Now, you could still have courts that are lenient on thieves, but the arbiter would not be, so it would be the same as how today thieves with enough money will hire a very good lawyer - but in the end the judge and jury still decide. Like the good lawyer of today, the thieves’ court (if it could exist and be accepted) would presumably make quite a good case for the thief, possibly swaying his chances a bit, but in the end the third - just - arbiter has final say.
  2. Any two people who subscribe to the services of the thieves’ court would have to be governed by its rulings absolutely, so they could steal from each other with total impunity. A few might be OK with this, but I suspect most thieves would not like it much. Even criminals want their adversaries to be subject to just law.