Conversely, you wouldn’t be here right now if it weren’t for some white people enslaving and/or slaughtering a bunch of brown people and conquering the world. I’m not sure where I was going with that…there’s probably a lesson in there somewhere.
And yet, talk is everything; ideas rule the world. I’m always amazed by people who say “get off your ass and do something about it!” Often, they’re the same people who are always begging government to “do something about it!” We need to stop demanding solutions based on violence. At any rate, you don’t reform the mafia from within—and government is infinitely, I dare say imaginably blacker than the mafia. I’d go as far as to doubt that any of us here, with our combined knowledge, can fathom the full extent of the horrors people within and around the power centers of government partake in or else are aware of.
“Conversely, you wouldn’t be here right now if it weren’t for some white people enslaving and/or slaughtering a bunch of brown people and conquering the world. I’m not sure where I was going with that…there’s probably a lesson in there somewhere.”
We wouldn’t have blues, jazz or anything that stems from them if it wasn’t for slavery…what are we willing to give up to correct some of our mistakes? Or are there alternative paths to the same thinhgs?
Whoa there Saul Alinsky. Never mentioned violence. In fact, basically implied against it. However isn’t it awfully convenient your solutions don’t involve getting off the computer?
Or are there alternative paths to the same thinhgs?
I think a sign of intelligence is the creativity to imagine what you call “alternative paths to the same things”, while being willing to admit that there has been only one path—and we’d do well to learn why that path triumphed over every imaginable alternative.
However isn’t it awfully convenient your solutions don’t involve getting off the computer?
I’m not sure you know what you’re talking about. I certainly don’t. Where have I said I only support the spread of ideas through sitting at a computer???
So far, it’s talk and imagination that are going to save the world. Maybe you aren’t so talented, but I really don’t even need to move at all for either of those. You’re right, I apologize. You can sit anywhere and accomplish these tasks.
We wouldn’t have blues, jazz or anything that stems from them if it wasn’t for slavery…what are we willing to give up to correct some of our mistakes? Or are there alternative paths to the same thinhgs?"
Except that being a politician is a legitimate means of achieving liberty, and Ron Paul made a legitimate effort to attempt to spread the message of libertarianism, therefore the negative context which you’re giving it is irrelevant.
Alright Spongebob, I’m some hillbilly statist. Why should I listen to you, exactly? What leaderly qualities do you possess that I must concede to believe in your imaginative speech?
“I don’t discount him. I merely stated that he is one out of 320 million.”
Then what is your point?
“What?”
Ron Paul’s actions were being compared to the effects of slavery. This would imply that the intended interpretation would be that the existence of something negative may indirectly lead to something positive and that this concept should be forwarded on to the actions of Paul. Well, where is the connection that makes what Ron Paul has done negative and people like Skeptic positive indirect affects of his actions?
Who cares what reason you have to listen to me? You’re talking about the virtues of politics, that’s what’s silly in this conversation. At least I’m acknowledging that, although hegemony has been a necessary step on the path toward liberty, it isn’t necessarily true that it must be.
Don’t mix up other people’s points with mine. I said nothing even close to this. My comments regarding hashem’s point was merely a thought. And it was completely unrelated to my thoughts on Ron Paul.
The discussion was directly related to Ron Paul. If you didn’t want your viewpoints mixed up then you shouldn’t enter into a conversation in such a way that your statement directly implies the position that you do not hold.