Pretty awesome. Given that one of the candidates is an AnCap. He cites Hulsmann on private defense on his website 
How perfect! Now they can claim to be for liberty while actively running for political office. Oh god libertarians are awesome!
Well I guess they could stay home and watch Golden Girls. Thats does almost as much for liberty as participating in political discourse and practice.
This is the story of almost every libertarian I’ve met on campus. The YAL chapter here is full of people who are trying to work on campaigns and run for office themselves someday…
I cannot wrap my head around why someone would be all “pro liberty” then desire to themselves run the state. They are just as managerial as the statists…
“O’ joyous liberty! How art thou statists!!”
Rothbard himself was pro-political action as a means of achieving libertarian goals. That was what his refute of Agorism was all about.
I wouldn’t be where I’m at right now if it wasn’t for Ron Paul.
Look at who he associated himself with in the name of that strategy (racialists, David Duke and white “voluntary” segregationists). He helped polemicise the movement in this regard.
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…and even he didn’t have the spick and span record that is necessary to combat the Establishment propaganda forces.
…and even he didn’t have any effectual political reforms.
Working “in the system” will demand compromises (Rand Paul for instance) that will water down the most important aspects of the movement.
@ Astrophanes
“Look at who he associated himself with in the name of that strategy (radicalists, David Duke and white “voluntary” segregationists). He helped polemicise the movement in this regard.”
Holy crap, I had no idea.
“Working “in the system” will demand compromises (Rand Paul for instance) that will water down the most important aspects of the movement.”
Okay, so how are we supposed to spread the liberty movement? Civil disobediance? Revolution? I’ve heard stuff all across the board here. There doesn’t seem to be a generally accepted plan of action among libertarians. The only reasonable one I’ve heard is seasteading.
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Not raDicalists…RaCialists
(I don’t know why you changed what I wrote…)
Yes. In the vein of Thoureau (don’t pay taxes!!!) and Malcom X (Don’t swear off the V-word).
Nope. Hopefully a little bit of all of it will help…
I don’t really see this as realistic. It is more realistic to appeal to states to allow them to create city-states that can be free of laws. Seasteading is utopian in my eyes. It is also hopelessly expensive (have you played BioShock? Because that’s where I’d imagine that seasteads would end up).
Oh come on! Big Daddys are SOOOOOOOOOOO KEWWWWWWWWWWL
Nothin will change.
Im such a pessimist.
The only way to bring about change is through the tip of the bayonet, the bank account of the entrepeneur, or the critical thoughts of ones mind.
“The only way to bring about change is through the tip of the bayonet”
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Dude, you got that straight from the dear leader.
“The way to peace is on the end of a bayonet.” - Kim Il-Sung
I actually do believe that.
If we want to abolish the government, 1 of the various ways is to just kill the bastards.
I used to be one who promoted Che-style revolution as a means of obtaining libertarian ideals, but is that really what we want? Freedom obtained through blood and gore? War? The very thing that we libertarians oppose?
First of all, I’d refrain from saying things like “just kill the bastards.”
Second, the abolition of the state is forcing your values on people who want the state. You should simply demand that you be “let out.”
Exactly.
Seriously, “just kill the bastards” reminds me of some overly-stylized Italian macaroni war film. Plus it sounds horrible.
And they demand that i be forced in.
Fair enough.
Re educate them.
“I don’t really see this as realistic. It is more realistic to appeal to states to allow them to create city-states that can be free of laws. Seasteading is utopian in my eyes. It is also hopelessly expensive”
Queue Anenome, change of topic, and further derailment of the thread.
What’s so bad about thread derailment? This topic is going somewhere interesting.
There doesn’t need to be ‘one plan’. Lots of people won’t be able to join a seastead even if it exists for various reasons, mainly employment and family. Lots of people come to libertarianism late in life after many commitments.
But, for those like you and me, we can take more radical steps and make the others envious 
If NH abolishes speed limits, I’ll be envious. If they cut the police budget 75%, I’d be jealous. Plenty can be done in politics. You don’t pull the rug out with one big sweep. Too many people on it, won’t work. You could set it on fire and piss them off. But it’s much easier to roll it up, and then just toss it over the balcony. You actually have to experience freedom before you can embrace it. Talk is cheap, and that’s all anyone here seems to be willing to do.