Google's New Car and the Collapse of Capitalism

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In case you haven’t heard, the software giant Google has debuted a new fully automated, driver-less car. Not only are the prototypes fully functional, they have also already logged a combined 140,000 miles of unassisted driving on U.S. roads. Google itself estimates that the system may be ready for full-scale production in eight years, before the decade is even out.

An eight-year period may seem overly optimistic, but it actually makes a lot of sense in context of computer systems. An observed phenomenon known as ‘Moore’s Law’ states that the processing power of a standard desktop computer roughly doubles every two years, for the same cost. If Moore’s law remains constant, then by 2020, the standard desktop should have the processing power of somewhere between the mind of a monkey and of a human - in other words, more than enough power to navigate traffic with the right software.

What does this mean for the economy? On the one hand, it will mean more efficient roads, lower costs of transportation, and cheaper costs of goods. On the other hand, there are an estimated 3.5 million truck drivers currently employed in the U.S., and this field is one of few which offers prospects of a middle-class income without a college degree. On top of this, consider the hundreds of thousands of bus, taxi and limousine drivers - and that similar technology will likely be simultaneously be rolled out for shipping, rail, forklift, crane operations, etc (indeed, to small degrees it already has).

You might remember how a few years ago, a GPS unit or a smart-phone were extravagant luxuries, but now are so common as to be unremarkable. There is no reason to believe that driver-less car technology will not be adopted with similar speed. Unlike smart phones, however, automated driving will cause massive and simultaneous layoffs.

If this were only happening in the transportation sector, I would not argue that it constitutes a paradigm shift in economics. This trend is however driven by computing speed, which is applicable to the great majority of fields and sectors. In other words, job destruction is and will be happening more rapidly than job creation in the majority of economic fields. The Google Car is a case in point - reportedly, only 15 engineers are responsible for the creation of its working prototypes, while it may someday soon make 15 million or more jobs obsolete around the world.

In the twentieth century, increased production by capitalists required increased labor forces, and increased payrolls, which created an automatic feed-back loop where more production led to more economic demand, and so on. Computer technology, and to a lesser degree other advances, are breaking this feedback loop.

This is presenting us with an entirely new economic paradigm, where production of goods is only loosely linked to human labor, and it is presenting us with two divergent paths as a species.

The first path is where 20th century economic paradigms remain in place long after their practical obsolescence, and consumption of goods remains rigidly connected to production or ownership. In this world, there are fewer and fewer decent jobs available except to a technocratic elite, and corporate cyborg-like entities compete with one another to enrich a shrinking ownership class to the exclusion of the growing underclass. If you look, you can see evidence of this taking place all around you.

In the second path, productivity gains are partially socialized while markets remain free - in other words, a portion of the increased productivity made possible by the new technologies is redistributed into a guaranteed national income, or welfare which is available to all, permanently, regardless of ability or even desire to find employment. In this world, work becomes wholly a choice, as subsistence is possible and even guaranteed regardless, but markets remain free and wealth accumulation is otherwise uninhibited, except through nominal (and possibly decreasing) tax rates. A musician for example could choose to charge at his concerts and become wealthier (or afford better equipment), or play for free and subsist happily on his guaranteed income. A capitalist could accumulate major holdings of industry, become world famous, accumulate toys and properties, be a player in the advancements in the latest fields, and he could also rest assured knowing that even if all his investments go bankrupt tomorrow, he can still live a full and comfortable life without the charity of others.

In any case, it is doubtful that millions of truck drivers unemployed en masse will take it lying down, or be content with a few months of unemployment checks and little prospects beyond that. Which direction society takes is likely to depend heavily on politics. Democratic nations (in the sense of nations which implement the desires of the majority as polivy, as distinguished from nations with mere formalities like elections) will tend toward the second path, while nations where money decides policy will tend towards the first, and the morass of third-worldism.

In neither case will there be top down, Soviet style control of the economy - in both cases markets will be free, on the one hand free to command humans, and on the other hand free to serve humanity. But one thing which is clear is that 20th Century paradigms will not work for understanding 21st Century economic crises, and these crises will not be resolved until the economically-minded stop looking towards long-dead theorists of long dead economic systems, and start looking at the object in front of their face they are typing into.

Your fears are ancient and have never held true.

Rav, seriously. I will debate you on any topic any time. You are wasting the energy of people who actually respond to you, because you don’t put any thought or effort into your original posts, or your responses.

If you have the ego to use mises.org forums as your personal twitter, you should be able to muster the hubris to participate in a serious debate, where you can’t run away, and will be judged by an impartial community. I’m waiting.

The one thing I see with this is that there is still more capital needed for this computing, as it is invested in the production of the chips. Example is the RAm currently in computers does have a better recplacement- MRAM, but there has not been the investment in new plants to create it.

There is still the truth, but it is in a different part.

Your fears are ancient and have never held true.

“Rome will never fall!”

That’s a serious logical fallacy you’re sporting there.

Not the best analogy. Your fear of economy-destroying unemployment due to technological advances has not held true.

Again with the “people said similar things in the past” fallacy.

This is just out today!

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Robots Are Stealing American Jobs, According to MIT Economist

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Forget the recession, immigration and the mortgage industry collapse - when it comes to loss of American jobs, robots are to blame.

That’s the conclusion of economists who have studied labor statistics and increasing job polarization, a growing disparity in pay among low- and high-skilled jobs. A handful of studies from the spring and summer have picked up steam in recent weeks, and they raise some interesting questions about the economy in the days leading up to Election Day.

Manufacturing is still strong in this country - it’s just that robots, not humans, are the ones manning the factories. If automation is the future of manufacturing, medicine and other fields, less-educated Americans could be left in the dust.

http://gizmodo.com/5665523/robots-are-stealing-american-jobs-according-to-mit-economist

and the full article the above article is reporting on:

http://www.good.is/post/automation-insurance-robots-are-replacing-middle-class-jobs/

Regardless of what terms I use, the issue here is whether rises in new technology leads to unemployment on a mass scale, such that the economy will suffer. This is such an elementary issue that is brought up time and time again, yet has been refuted for decades. It would benefit you to read chapter seven of Henry Hazlitt’s Economic in One Lesson, called “The Curse of Machinery.”

Why don’t you take up Sieben’s debate offer on this topic?

I’d be happy to debate, but I probably couldn’t post more than once a day. What’s the debate on exactly?

Here’s an article just out today!

Robots Are Stealing American Jobs, According to MIT Economist

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Forget the recession, immigration and the mortgage industry collapse - when it comes to loss of American jobs, robots are to blame.

That’s the conclusion of economists who have studied labor statistics and increasing job polarization, a growing disparity in pay among low- and high-skilled jobs…

http://gizmodo.com/5665523/robots-are-stealing-american-jobs-according-to-mit-economist

and here’s the link to the full article:

http://www.good.is/post/automation-insurance-robots-are-replacing-middle-class-jobs/

The middle class is disappearing and the problem is deeper than politics. How will we understand work in the coming age of robotics?

Last April, the MIT economist David Autor published a report that looked at the shifting employment landscape in America. He came to this scary conclusion: Our workforce is splitting in two. The number of high-skill, high-income jobs (think lawyers or research scientists or managers) is growing. So is the number of low-skill, low-income jobs (think food preparation or security guards). Those jobs in the middle? They’re disappearing. Autor calls it “the polarization of job opportunities.”

These days, all of us, from President Obama on down, are thinking about jobs. The unemployment rate is hovering around 10 percent, we’ve watched the ground disappear from under Detroit and Wall Street, and there’s a pervading sense that other industries might be next.

It’s not that the issue isn’t getting attention. The Princeton economist Paul Krugman is out there telling Congress to spend more money to create jobs. The former secretary of labor Robert Reich is arguing for tax breaks for the bottom brackets so people can buy stuff again. Here’s the thing, though: The erosion of the middle class is a phenomenon that’s bigger than the Great Recession. Middle-range jobs have been getting scarcer since the late 1970s, and wages for the ones that are still around have remained stagnant. …

Pretty cool, I didn’t know robots could fold laundry. Maybe MIT economists have been reading my posts?

They tuk urr jobz!!!

@ravochol: http://blog.mises.org/14259/luddites-at-mit/

key quote:

Today, a Japanese company called Fanuc, Ltd., has industrial robots making other industrial robots in a “lights out” factory. (That’s the somewhat unsettling term for a fully automated production facility where you don’t need lights because you don’t need humans.) That’s where we’re headed.

zomg!!! that’s like an elevator without an elevator operator!!!

The more tools we develop, the more things we’ll be able to do (with it). Human work can always add value; we simply come up with new things to provide (typists become software developers, etc). Unless the tools are smarter than the humans. Then we can hang back and enjoy all the labor our robots are doing for us.

Or like getting from New York to Chicago without 6 runners carrying you for a month. If we outlawed airplanes, there’d be practically no unemployment.

Z.

What you don’t want to understand is that robots taking over jobs is a net benefit to the economy. Are people displaced and some jobs lost? Yes of course but this is a good thing. You are arguing that people would be better off if there was never any technological improvement because they’d have hard work to do. Unnecessary work is to be eliminated- necessary work stays in and stays profitable. That’s the way the market works- and that’s the way it will ALWAYS work regardless of any socio-economic policy put in place. The market/free trade is always present even when suppressed no matter what happens.This is the natural state of humanity- once you accept that, the light suddenly shines on all the economic problems of today.

What you’re saying is that to have a better economy we should have mountains of paper instead of word documents, that the horse/buggy is better than the car, that a campfire is better than a microwave. You’re saying that the light-bulb has ruined the economy by putting candle-makers out of business.

Yawn.

The forum has been inundated lately with posts about this resource based economics, Venus project, nonsense. Numerous forum members have already addressed the fallacies, the errors in economic thinking, on this subject.

Are we really going to go round this merry go round again?

Ravochol,

Food for thought. It is October, 1945. Millions of GI’s will be returning home over the next few months. Defense production is winding down. Clearly, socialist planning is required to provide jobs. Right? What on Earth will all these men do when they get home?

Now, there is the Google car. You say millions of workers will lose their jobs with nothing to replace them.

Why would there be nothing to replace the jobs?

  • Intervention, perhaps?
  • Income taxes?
  • A manipulated money supply causing artificially lengthened production structures that drain the economy of current goods, squandering scarce capital on projects that can’t be completed?
  • Regulations of all kinds?
  • Minimum wage laws?
  • Payroll taxes?
  • Endless bureaucracy that requires months to obtain a permit for the simplest of activities? Complex activities require years to cut through the tape.
  • Barriers to entry caused by government (ie, firms and industries protected from competition)?

Nonsense. Look at the words in bold. Maybe someone else will take the time to explain to you why the above statement is nonsensical.

auctionguy10,

Ravochol is saying that we can have the best of what the free market has to offer along with socialist planning (he calls it redistribution of productivity gains) at the same time.

Entrepreneurs and capitalists will direct capital into new, exiting, and productive activities even though the resulting productivity gains will be confiscated and given to those sitting on their collective arsses. Never mind that the reason the capital was directed there in the first place was to obtain a return on investment that resulted from the productivity gains.

Utopia is near, if only ignorant people who cling to outdated 20th century economic theories could be, well, let’s say “re-educated” or perhaps “neutralized”.

Vee haf vayes of making you see zee truth.

One of my biggest flaws in participating in this forum is getting sucked into threads like this. It’s just hard to stay silent with such economic drivel being laid out there.

Maybe if we all just remained silent, resource based economics will go away. My fear is that National Socialism did not just go away, and I’m sure most people thought the crazy Nazi’s would never gain traction. Mises thought Keynesianism was so far fetched that no credible economist would accept it*, and Hayek thought Keynes would change his mind about his General Theory.

Now, with the collapse of totaliarian socialism, and the failure of democratic socialism, we have socialism cleaned up and dusted off: Resource Based Economics.

*I believe this narrative is correct, going from memory here.

I want you to debate Sieben, too. For all of us to see. Unless, you know, that would mean that we’re all working too hard for too many hours like your last post suggested.

The jobs have to go somewhere. There might be less “necessary” jobs, but then there are more unnecessary, leisurely jobs. Assuming I had to $10,000 per year on transportation and suddenly technology made transportation free, I’m going to join some awesome private gym or something like that with the extra money I’m saving. More workers are hired because of me (and the rest of the world) joining, etc.

EDIT:

z1235, can you explain what you mean by this?

Thanks to automation, commies have more time to complain about factory fires, the unequal distribution of land/money/resources as well as the blatant injustice and crushing inhumanity of having to pay one’s own way.