Greenspan on the financial crisis

I am writing an introductory article on why “Greenspan’s” policies (really, the Federal Reserve under Greenspan’s chairmanship) led to the financial crisis, in response to a challenge of his he posed in a recent interview. I am currently re-reading his Brookings Paper on the financial crisis, and early on he establishes the basis of his rationale of what was behind the recession. Writes Greenspan,

The consequence was a pronounced fall from 2000 to 2005 in both global real long-term interest rates4 and nominal long-term rates which indicated that global saving intentions, of necessity, had chronically exceeded global intentions to invest. In the developing world, consumption restrained by culture and inadequate consumer finance could not keep up with the surge of income and, as a consequence, the savings rate of the developing world soared from 24% of nominal GDP in 1999 to 34% by 2007, far outstripping its investment rate.

Yet the ex post global saving – investment rate in 2007, overall, was only modestly higher than in 1999, suggesting that the uptrend in the saving intentions of developing economies tempered declining investment intentions in the developed world. That weakened global investment was the major determinant in the decline of global real long-term interest rates was also the conclusion of the March 2007 Bank of Canada study. Of course, whether it was a glut of excess intended saving or a shortfall of investment intentions, the conclusion is the same: lower real long-term interest rates.

I am not interested in revisiting, here on this forum, the application of this theory to U.S. interest rates (that is, the “exportation of savings” to the United States). This thesis has already been adequately dealt with elsewhere, although I may mention it in my article.

I am mostly interested in making sure I understand Greenspan accurately. Is Greenspan treating saving and investment as two completely unrelated factors? Above, he writes that global savings outstripped global “intentions” to invest, as if the volume of invested capital is in no way related to the volume of saved capital. Also, what statistic is he using to argue that global investment fell, when in fact it seems to me that global investment was increasing up until the advent of the financial crisis?

Regarding what I quote, I can think of two possible interpretations,

  1. What I wrote above. That is, investment and savings are unrelated to each other – there is no causal relationship between volume of savings and volume of capital (in other words, Greenspan rejects the “Austrian” [not really Austrian, but let’s say it is for the sake of simplicity] belief that only an increase in savings can precipitate a healthy increase in investment (that is, business cycle theory aside).
  2. Greenspan adopts a very Keynesian theory of depressions, where what precipitates the crisis is a disconnect between a fall in comsumption and an increase in savings. Greenspan’s theory, if this interpretation is correct, is a little different from Keynes’ , in that Greenspan’s argument doesn’t really assume a fall in consumption. He just says that consumption doesn’t maintain pace with a rise in income. It’s similar to Reisman’s argument (although Reisman’s argument is not a theory of depressions, of course, since he recognizes causality between an increase in savings and an increase in investment) where a rise in real wealth leads to an increase in the stock of capital goods.

What do you think?

I don’t know much about Greenspan’s early macroeconomic work. Does his interpretation of the financial crisis fit any of his early work on industrial fluctuations? As it stands, it seems as if his argument is really some poor interpretation of data without any standing in previously established theory. But, I might be wrong if he did indeed make similar arguments earlier in his life.

I probably wouldn’t be able to offer more than what you’ve got here, but this seems like the perfect question for Murphy. He usually responds within a day or two, although it’s usually not a very detailed response, but I bet he could offer some useful insight.

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Is anybody aware of any post-recession defenses of Greenspan, other than Henderson’s and Hummel’s 2008 Cato Institute Briefing Paper?

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It looks like he’s saying that “Savings intentions” is the money banks have in their vaults, waiting to be lent to people. He calls this “Savings” because he thinks that’s where a bank gets its money from, the depositors saving their money by putting it in a bank. I imagine he treats money created ex nihilo by central banks as savings also. Why he calls this “savings intentions” and not “savings” is unclear to me. Maybe to parellal the phrase “intention to invest”, where the phrase makes more sense.

He seems to mean by “Investments” money borrowed from banks. When people don’t borrow money, he calls it that they have no “intention to invest”. A low interest rate happens when there is more money to be lent than people wanting to borrow it, thus causing interest rates to fall.

Note that from his second sentence one can infer that consumers spending borrowed money on fancy cars is also an “investment”, because he talks about “inadequate consumer finance”, which means there are no credit card companies in China.

In other words, the Chinese coolies were working hard and saving their money, putting it all in the banks, but the Chinese banks had no one to lend it to.

Re-reading it, and as I present it in the article, I think Greenspan is really just giving a more roundabout explanation that could just as easily be described in terms of supply and demand. The savings he’s talking about comes from an increas in income, where the savings is income minus consumption (and he argues that the increase in income was not met by an increase in consumption). What he means is that the supply of savings increased without a similar movement in the demand for savings, so the price of savings went down. It’s a really difficult way of explaining the supply and demand for loanable funds.

I.e. he’s blaming low interest rates on the Chinese.

Yep, my take also.

Even if I accept Greenspan’s argument and completely ignore the role of the FED’s extremely expansionary and overly “accommodative” monetary policy throughout the 90s and 2000’s, his argument still fails to explain how historically low interest rates, by themselves, yield economic bubbles. He’s arguing that interest rates were low due to real factors (high savings rate/low investment demand), i.e., that there was equilibrium in the loanable funds market. But how do equilibrium interest rates cause extreme disequilibria throughout various sectors, particularly real-estate (both commercial and residential), in the US and global economy?

In other words, he’s implicitly saying that the market economy, even in a state of equilibrium, just naturally and magically creates systemic and structural imbalances (bubbles). This is inconsistent with standard economic orthodoxy as well as the Austrian framework, which explains that bubbles are the inevitable result of inter-temporal disequilibrium in the loan market (when the market rate is arbitrarily suppressed below the natural rate). Additionally, how does he know that investment demand was at an all-time low during this period?

Yea, Greenspan’s purpose is two-fold:

  1. Absolve himself of any relationship with the bubble by absolving himself from any relationship with the rate of interest;
  2. Advanced an alternative business cycle theory based on risk.

The two are slightly related, in Greenspan’s framework, only because for Greenspan the rate of interest is one of the prices of risk. Thus, low interest rates meant underpriced risk, hence an increase in the volume of risky loans.

Regarding low investment, I think it was a misinterpretation. He’s saying the demand for investment didn’t rise, not that the quantity demanded of investment didn’t rise. It was just a roundabout and overly confusing explanation of supply and demand in the loanable funds market.

According to this article, there was no substantial change in global savings rate in past 2 decades:

http://www.morganstanley.com/views/gef/archive/2007/20070604-Mon.html

“There is no glut of global saving. Yes, global saving has risen steadily over the past several decades, but contrary to widespread belief, the rise in recent years has been no faster than the expansion of world GDP. In fact, the overall global saving rate stood at 22.8% of world GDP in 2006 – basically unchanged from the 23.0% reading in 1990. At the same time, there has been an important shift in the mix of global saving – away from the rich countries of the developed world toward the poor countries of the developing world. This development, rather than overall trends in global saving, is likely to remain a critical issue for the world economy and financial markets in the years ahead.
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