Homestead Principle and Land Development

Okay, so here we are, living in a stateless society, where ownership is determined according to the homestead principle.

I’m a developer, and I want to turn an unowned swath of land into a giant amusement park or whatever. It’s a process that will take years for planning as well as for construction.

Under the homestead principle, the land and necessary air space become owned by me once I use the land… once I mix my labor with the materials there. How would I stake a legitimate claim to the entire parcel of land I require before someone else comes along and starts modifying it themselves, in order to discourage my efforts, or extort money from me, or for their own separate plans?

Would putting up a fence around the area be legit? Would I have to make some sort of quick “improvements,” like sowing a bunch of seeds, in order to rightfully claim it? I can’t just go out and say, “I plan on using this, therefore it is mine.”

Good question. I haven’t read anything on it, but I would say start with fencing it off. Then, put up signs announcing your intentions. I’d also include progression dates (planning, beginning contruction, finishing) so that others know what to expect and when (estimates, of course). If I’m in this society and came upon such a fenced off places, and the signs all said it would be started 10 years ago, and finished 5 years ago, and yet nothing. I’d consider it free game.

I don’t think that you necessarily have to go as far as Skyler says besides embordering (fencing in) the area. Posting signs or registering landmarks along the edges as they did in the past with a prominent land title service would probably do the trick as well. Of course, you can’t just then do nothing with the land, but I see no reason to have to immediately do something pointless like drop grass seed all over. We can’t say specifically what an appropriate amount of time before developing X% of the area is. That is a matter for a judge to decide when there is actual disputes, and various providers would codify and make their general guidelines known between each other.

If you really want to start understanding the basis for what I am saying you should read this whole thing, or at least some from page 28. This, briefly from page 14 (pg. 82) is relevant as well.

I would say it depends on how scarce unowned land is in the area. If there is plenty of unowned land even beyond this swath then a simple sign would do. Of course this sign would not make you the owner, but it would act as a sort of reservation for the time being (until unowned land becomes less scarce around this parcel.)

However if there is no unowned land in the area other than this swath that you plan to develop then I think you would need to do much more. Even a fence would not be enough.

If you are lucky all the land will have been homesteaded and integrated into a market economy centuries before you are born into the scene.

This is a departure from the orthodox, but here we go. You cannot own land. You can only own your labor. To the extent that your labor manifests crops, you have a right to it. You cannot prevent anyone else from doing anything if it doesn’t impact your labor. So I don’t need your permission to walk through your field, as long as I don’t damage anything.

@Snowflake, are you sure labor is ownable? ^_^. Where’d you get this idea, btw?

I don’t see how you come to this stance on trespass Snowflake. I can’t own land? Can I own any type of physical object (res)? If I can rape you without causing lasting physical harm, is it okay?

If you’re only using the land to farm, but claim rights over the land rather than just your labor, you’re forestalling homesteading on all the other people who might be able to use it without interfering with your labor. So like, mineral rights, air space, transportation, etc…

Labor is owned. You have rights over objects inso far as they are bound up with labor.

No, because you’re infringing on the body I’m using to live in.

So, I’m thinking that if self ownership means you own your labor, and goes no further. This interpretation actually overcomes Nozick’s tomato paste / ocean thought experiment, where he ponders if he can own the ocean by doing a very small amount of work to it, since I deny that Nozick can own the ocean. He can only own the right to pour tomato paste into it, and everyone else can do whatever they want so long as they don’t infringe upon his activities.

Anyway, this is just something I’m kicking around to see if it goes anywhere.

:stuck_out_tongue: I don’t really participate in objective ethics. I feel strongly about self ownership though, which is why I’m interested in the homesteading principle. My interpretation also allows for a much smoother utilitarian permutation of individual property rights, since its less strict than the orthodox view.

My noggin. But I’m sure someone else has come up with it before.

I find John Locke’s argument very ex post facto. I get that its very attractive to want to defend absolute property rights yadayada, but I don’t think the argument from self ownership goes as far as people want it to. So I’ve proposed a slight framework shift that preserves self ownership. I think it would square better with hard leftists too, who think we own ourselves but don’t buy our homesteading line.

In general, from a utilitarian perspective, I don’t get too worried about these sorts of issues, since Coase’s theorem suggests that everything will work itself out.

I agree with you here but I think this isn’t the simplest way of putting it. It’s not that you “own” your labor in the past (which of course you do), but that you own the right to commit certain actions in the future.

Presumably, you would also agree with me that someone who “steals” your car and returns it before you notice, unscathed at the atomic level, has not really violated your rights. Of course, in reality, there would always be some damage, just as there is always some damage from walking across your grass (although it may be so small as to not be worth pursuing).

I don’t see how you can only get part of the equation. Read from here, in part:

Property in External Things

Libertarians apply similar reasoning in the case of other scarce resources — namely, external objects in the world that, unlike bodies, were at one point unowned. In the case of bodies, the idea of aggression being impermissible immediately implies self-ownership. In the case of external objects, however, we must identify who the owner is before we can determine what constitutes aggression.

As in the case with bodies, humans need to be able to use external objects as means to achieve various ends. Because these things are scarce, there is also the potential for conflict. And, as in the case with bodies, libertarians favor assigning property rights so as to permit the peaceful, conflict-free, productive use of such resources. Thus, as in the case with bodies, property is assigned to the person with the best claim or link to a given scarce resource — with the “best claim” standard based on the goals of permitting peaceful, conflict-free human interaction and use of resources.

Unlike human bodies, however, external objects are not parts of one’s identity, are not directly controlled by one’s will, and — significantly — they are initially unowned.[18] Here, the libertarian realizes that the relevant objective link is appropriation — the transformation or embordering of a previously unowned resource, Lockean homesteading, the first use or possession of the thing.[19] Under this approach, the first (prior) user of a previously unowned thing has a prima facie better claim than a second (later) claimant, solely by virtue of his being earlier.

Why is appropriation the relevant link for determination of ownership? First, keep in mind that the question with respect to such scarce resources is: who is the resource’s owner? Recall that ownership is the right to control, use, or possess,[20] while possession is actual control — “the factual authority that a person exercises over a corporeal thing.”[21] The question is not who has physical possession; it is who has ownership.

Thus, asking who is the owner of a resource presupposes a distinction between ownership and possession — between the right to control, and actual control. And the answer has to take into account the nature of previously unowned things — namely, that they must at some point become owned by a first owner.

The answer must also take into account the presupposed goals of those seeking this answer: rules that permit conflict-free use of resources. For this reason, the answer cannot be whoever has the resource or whoever is able to take it is its owner. To hold such a view is to adopt a might-makes-right system, where ownership collapses into possession for want of a distinction.[22] Such a system, far from avoiding conflict, makes conflict inevitable.[23]

Instead of a might-makes-right approach, from the insights noted above it is obvious that ownership presupposes the prior-later distinction: whoever any given system specifies as the owner of a resource, he has a better claim than latecomers.[24] If he does not, then he is not an owner, but merely the current user or possessor. If he is supposed an owner on the might-makes-right principle, in which there is no such thing as ownership, it contradicts the presuppositions of the inquiry itself. If the first owner does not have a better claim than latecomers, then he is not an owner, but merely a possessor, and there is no such thing as ownership.

More generally, latecomers’ claims are inferior to those of prior possessors or claimants, who either homesteaded the resource or who can trace their title back to the homesteader or earlier owner.[25] The crucial importance of the prior-later distinction to libertarian theory is why Professor Hoppe repeatedly emphasizes it in his writing.[26]

Thus, the libertarian position on property rights is that, in order to permit conflict-free, productive use of scarce resources, property titles to particular resources are assigned to particular owners. As noted above, however, the title assignment must not be random, arbitrary, or particularistic; instead, it has to be assigned based on “the existence of an objective, intersubjectively ascertainable link between owner” and the resource claimed.[27] As can be seen from the considerations presented above, the link is the physical transformation or embordering of the original homesteader, or a chain of title traceable by contract back to him.[28]

If you’re only using the land to farm, but claim rights over the land rather than just your labor, you’re forestalling homesteading on all the other people who might be able to use it without interfering with your labor. So like, mineral rights, air space, transportation, etc…

By your reasoning, I could sneak into your house and play your Xbox when you aren’t paying attention? Does it matter that I don’t get caught or what happens if I am? You are just going to ask me nicely to leave? I mean, that is basically what you are saying when I can walk across your lawn right?

What does it mean to “own your labor”? Labor isn’t a tangible physical thing, but a mode of action. If you own yourself, you certainly have the right to labor, but you labor for either monetary remuneration or the utility gained from modifying various scarce physical objects (res). Iura res or law associated with physical (non-human) objects is such a big part of law throughout the ages. It’s simply inconceivable that people would ever abandon the practice.

Also, one thing that distinguishes libertarian Neo-Lockean homesteading from more traditional forms is that property rights ad coelum et ad inferos (to the heavens and to hell) are not recognized in the former. I can’t keep you from mining under my fields unless you are affecting my crops and I was there first. The same goes for flying a plane overhead; however, when I was there first and the condition of the field was without 80 dB of plane noise overhead, the plane owner is aggressing.

But your future labor doesn’t exist. Not yet. If you lay claim to the future, you are guilty of forestalling homesteading. Although I do grant that you do have continued rights to things, insofar as your labor is invested for the long term.

Only if they could know for sure that I wouldn’t be using it during their joyride, then yes. [EDIT: Rescinded somewhat. See below.]

Yes. Perhaps I was too lenient. I think when people homestead a house it is for a specific purpose. It is their sanctuary and exclusive territory from the world. So, in this case, it is a violation of one’s labor to sneak into my house, since I have specifically labored against that end.

But if you take a farmer, who has only used his labor to grow crops, he does not have the right to bar others from making use of the land insofar as it does not inhibit his ability to grow crops.

You might argue that the farmer has homesteaded peace of mind, etc, so I don’t think you can blast rock music while he’s farming it. But at night there’s no reason you couldn’t.

Right sorry. I minced words. You have a claim to your labor.

I completely agree with you, and this is what I’m trying to say. Maybe the case I make is a little stronger than allowing people use of land/air 100ft above/below the land. I’m thinking that two people can simultaneously use the same space in which to invest their labor, and never have any claim against eachother.

An interesting post on homesteading and its history.

@Snowflake, I think I’m reading past what you’re saying, but you understand that labor is an action, not a thing (a verb, not a noun), and as such can’t be owned, correct? All that can be owned are the things that labor produces (out of owned materials) or the claims to compensation via contract to produce things. Likewise, the “value” of your labor cannot be owned, as the value of anything cannot be owned, only the physical things.

I’m sure you know this, but the way you’re writing about owning labor has me confused.

^yeah i corrected myself above. Sorry.

Are you still talking about the case where there is no damage done? It’s one thing if you catch me sneaking through your house, but suppose I told you that, unbeknownst to you, I was in your house some time last week, but I left absolutely no traces. Would you still say that I had committed a crime? (Note that this isn’t going to happen in reality.)

I’m not talking about future labor, but future action. If a claim is a claim on anything, it is a claim on future actions. For example, to say that you “own” this car is to say that you have the right to drive (or smash, etc.) this car at any time in the future.

Right sorry. I minced words. You have a claim to your labor.

There’s a significant difference between the phrases “to own” or “to have a claim to” but not in the context of this discussion.You can’t own labor anymore than you can own the color blue. You own your own body and can come to own external things by way of appropriation.

Unlike human bodies, however, external objects are not parts of one’s identity, are not directly controlled by one’s will, and — significantly — they are initially unowned.[18] Here, the libertarian realizes that the relevant objective link is appropriation — the transformation or embordering of a previously unowned resource, Lockean homesteading, the first use or possession of the thing.[19] Under this approach, the first (prior) user of a previously unowned thing has a prima facie better claim than a second (later) claimant, solely by virtue of his being earlier.

Why is appropriation the relevant link for determination of ownership? First, keep in mind that the question with respect to such scarce resources is: who is the resource’s owner? Recall that ownership is the right to control, use, or possess,[20] while possession is actual control — “the factual authority that a person exercises over a corporeal thing.”[21] The question is not who has physical possession; it is who has ownership.

Thus, asking who is the owner of a resource presupposes a distinction between ownership and possession — between the right to control, and actual control. And the answer has to take into account the nature of previously unowned things — namely, that they must at some point become owned by a first owner.

Creation by itself is not sufficient for ownership. I might pay you to utilize the body (which you own) to carve a statue out of my block of marble, with my hammer and chisel, but your gain is only what I’ve agreed to pay you for laboring with my capital goods. I came to own the hunk of marble by mining it myself or paying another laborer (with money or goods I had also come to own prior), before paying you to work on my thing. You have a claim to access my tools and hunk of marble, but only insomuch as I’ve agreed to let you work with them, and only for the purpose stated in our agreement, to carve me a statue.

The difference between “having a claim to” and (full) “ownership” becomes more important to understand when we get into easement rights and complex problems such as homesteading oceans. Here though, its simply not important and you own your labor only in the context of your body being part of the physical world.

But if you take a farmer, who has only used his labor to grow crops, he does not have the right to bar others from making use of the land insofar as it does not inhibit his ability to grow crops.

You might argue that the farmer has homesteaded peace of mind, etc, so I don’t think you can blast rock music while he’s farming it. But at night there’s no reason you couldn’t.

How could you walk through my field without affecting my crops or the surrounding land at all*?* You really can’t. Considering such hypothetical cases of “insignificant trespass” do yield worthwhile theory (the via negativa of jurisprudence which I will explain another time), but I don’t think that this is a valid defense of trespass.

First, the trespasser is going to run into trouble in practice because how can you assume that a farmer only owns a field for the purpose of getting crops? What if he likes to do witchcraft or just take leisurely strolls through his row of corn in the dark? What if someone had been crossing his field to pick his apple trees or had recently robbed his goat? There’s myriad reasons for the farmer to be frightened by or unsure of the intentions of trespassers.

Read page 14/82 I cited above comparing Reinach and Rothbard on trespass. I’m going to, like Block, side with Rothbard’s as superior between the two differing theories. Rothbard says:

[If a man] comes upon land that in any way bears the mark of a former human use, it is his responsibility to assume that the land is owned by someone. Any intrusion upon his land, without further inquiry, must be done at the risk of the newcomer being an aggressor. It is of course possible that the previously owned land has been abandoned; but the newcomer must not assume blithely that land which has obviously been transformed by man is no longer owned by anyone. He must take steps to find out.

The appearance of a house or a field before you on your journey is something objectively and intersubjectively ascertainable by any rational being as bearing the mark of having been homesteaded, or as Block says:

must of empirical necessity have been created and thus homesteaded by someone.


An interesting post on homesteading and its history.

There’s some problems with Locke’s doctrine, which libertarians have sorted out, hence the term Neo-Lockean. I’ll grant, arguendo, that Callahan’s following interpretations of the motives of people dead for a few centuries is valid, but that in no way makes it representative of an ex post facto judgment on the legitimacy of such actions by libertarian law.

But the 17th-century English landowning class had a problem. They had been busy robbing both the English peasant and the American Indian of their land. To their credit, they couldn’t admit openly to themselves that they had been doing so. While the Athenians could just say to the Melians that it was natural for the powerful to dominate the weak, or the Israelites could simply claim a land as God’s chosen people, these options were not open to 17th-century English Christians. They needed a good justification for their theft. And Locke’s homesteading doctrine is formulated very precisely to give them one: only when a man “tills, plants, improves, cultivates” some piece of land does he actually gain ownership of it. So, there you go! Just because some English peasants had grazed a pasture for a thousand years, or some “naked savages” had hunted it for five thousand years, that land wasn’t really theirs, because they hadn’t done with it what a member of the landed gentry would, which was to enclose it and farm it (or at least the part not reserved for the folly and the decorative fish pond).

Setting out animals to graze a pasture is a completely legitimate use of land which would constitute homesteading, so the landed gentry unjustly disseised the peasants. On Indians see page cccxxxviii of Block’s book on roads. Indians who lived nomadically may have not had valid claims to ownership of the whole area they ever roamed, but the sytematic murder and displacement out west was surely over the line.

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I gave my analysis on how homes might be homesteaded against arbitrary use of others above.

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Right. I think we agree. My vocabulary is probably off.