I have seen a few estimates at the amount of people “captitalism” has killed and I was thinking how many people democracy has killed, the holocaust, vietnam, maybe all the drugs the FDA has held of the market ect, it’s got to be a big number. has this been done or has anyone got any estimates?
Perhaps The Black Book of Democracy needs to be written?
What’s the alternative to democracy?
“What’s the alternative to democracy?”
Well, it’s the best form of government that’s been tried. Maybe we should look at alternatives to government.
“Well, it’s the best form of government that’s been tried.”
Have you read Hoppe, Democracy: the god that failed?
“Have you read Hoppe, Democracy: the god that failed?”
I haven’t yet. I was riffing off the Winston Churchill quote.
I have seen a few estimates at the amount of people “captitalism” has killed and I was thinking how many people democracy has killed, the holocaust, vietnam, maybe all the drugs the FDA has held of the market ect, it’s got to be a big number. has this been done or has anyone got any estimates?
Umm… I hate to be Debby Downer, but uh… ony one of those was done by a democracit regime… and even that was began by executive order w/o the approval of congress
(The FDA doesn’t make or distribute drugs. They license capitalists to… Any deaths caused by a drug company was caused by capitalists.)
“(The FDA doesn’t make or distribute drugs. They license capitalists to… Any deaths caused by a drug company was caused by capitalists.)”
The OP was talking about the drugs that were withheld from the market by the FDA. That would include drugs the FDA explicitly prohibited and those that weren’t developed due to the FDA increasing the cost of development.
What are the estimates of deaths caused by capitalism?
Around -5.8 billion.
Hitler came to power in a democracy, so I don’t see how democracy can’t be blamed for Hitler. also the immigration policy of other countries towards Jews and other refugees ramped up the body count.
All the estimates I have seen use a wacky definition of capitalism, they include all wars, all starvation in the 3rd world, all the smokers who have died ect.
Mmm, not to mention everyone who died of old age…
Lol funny thread. How many people were killed by mere flawed ideas? I heard someone claiming anarchism killed more people than any state in whole history… when I asked for facts, that person mentioned French Revolution etc… go figure.
Ha
Hitler came to power in a democracy, so I don’t see how democracy can’t be blamed for Hitler. also the immigration policy of other countries towards Jews and other refugees ramped up the body count
Because Hitller lost the general election, was installed chancellor, and declared dictator. Maybe, just maybe, you could blame that on republicanism.. it’s quite a stretch to blame it on democracy.
I find it amusing that people blame system’s for all of the wrongs in the world without seeing that it’s really just a bunch of Individuals violating the right’s of other Individual’s, while distracting them with pretty slogan’s and delusional idea’s of “UNITY”.
Didn’t he lose the general election but was apointed chancelor by the democratically elected president and then approved by a referendum?
The NAZI party obtained power through alliances with other parties, and didn’t really come until the majority until after the Reichstag fire and the special election of 1933 which excluded the Communist party. Even at this high point, the NAZIs had less than 50% of the parilment. It’s still a huge accomplishment considering they were below 10% around a decade prior to that election. In 1932 they had become the largest party in parliment, controlling around 37% of the vote. Hilter was the runner up in the 1932 election, and was appointed Chancellor in order to capture the majority in parliment.
The Enabling Act, which granted Hitler legislative power, was the beginning of the end for the republic. It took very little time for Hitler to ban all parties other than the NAZI party. Hitler’s power grab occurred gradually from 1933 to 1939. It’s pretty safe to say that the republic died in 1933 while the government shifted towards dictatorship. So was it really democracy that killed in NAZI Germany or facism? I believe it was the latter.
I think the point of this thread, and feel free to correct me if you think I’m wrong, is to determine how many people were killed in the name of democracy, not how many people democracy (a concept which is not capable of acting) literally murdered.