How to maximize damage to states

Ok it seems at least that some Greeks are not paying their taxes any more. So yes indeed this will damage the state. Just the question will be how will the Deledefs “react” . I think they will leave the Euro and introduce a new Fiat-currency, and that wil be quite a loss for every one having savings. And the deledefs will “get” the population easily as hostages…

I just can hope the state breaks before the state breaks the people…

Absent a political movement to provide an alternative, the result can only be a deepening of the political concepts already in play. Greece will probably fall deeper into despotism and lose another generation or two of progress after a default and leaving the Euro. To think there’s enough people in that country that believe they’re literally entitled to government largesse to have political clout is not encouraging.

Sad but IMHO true. Yeah the illusion of states as wealth machines is so absurd…

I found the anser myself.

Don’t buy any bonds of states.

That’s absolutely legal and helps.

So here you have it. I’m suprised nobody else suggestes just this.

Mass foot voting would be the best way to suck the life out of the state, but we’d need to have a free society in place for them to go to.

“Mass foot voting would be the best way to suck the life out of the state,”

Where should we go?

Everywhere you can go ther eis some “state”.

My answer is seasteading. And I plan to foster a libertarian minarch ocean-borne society off the Pacific Coast of the US within the next decade. Would be an autarchic republic, predicated on individualism–not a democracy.

In the long-term there’s a great deal of unowned property in space. But for now that’s hard to reach. Libertarians may have their own planet eventually :stuck_out_tongue:

But if there were an alternative for people to go to, you’d see mass brain-drain out of oppessive states, much like the US did to the rest of the world. And you’d see mass business immigration, for the low-tax, low-regulation environment, without health-care mandates and the like. Which would create jobs and in turn attract more people.

It would be a wonderful virtuous cycle.

My answer is seasteading. And I plan to foster a libertarian minarch ocean-borne society off the Pacific Coast of the US within the next decade. Would be an autarchic republic, predicated on individualism–not a democracy.

You have my best wishes, it would be like the “secret” valey in Atlas shrugged. Let us know the coordinates ASAP :wink:

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I’d say that the Minerva Project actually did two things wrong. First, they didn’t invest in any weaponry. Second, they explicitly notified neighboring states about the new “Republic of Minerva”. It was that explicit notification of “independence” that led to a conference among the neighboring states where Tonga ended up making a claim over the Minerva Reefs which was recognized by the other states (surprise, surprise).

It amazes me that the “Minervans” actually expected other states to “play nice”. But then, they were really setting up a state of their own. If I had been in charge of the Minerva Project, there would’ve been significant money invested in weaponry and no notices would’ve been sent out to any states. Let our presence be discovered after we’re well established (and well armed) on the reefs.

100% agreed. Any new nation project I engage in will be armed to the teeth and have defense in mind from day 1. The state is force. Period.

Indeed, it would :slight_smile: Had Rand known of the concept of seasteading, I daresay she might have used it as the location instead.

When I get it going it will be impossible to hide, and I’ll make sure its philosophical basis is front and center.