How would you convince a poor person to become libertarian?

[limitgov]

“Are you implying that none of the robbers in uniforms are Christians?”

No.

But if they are Christians, they are not following the teachings of God if they support government.

[gotlucky]

@JimmyJazz

I don’t. I am one of those people who would more or less write off the possibility of a person like her becoming a libertarian. I’m just wondering if anyone else has a different opinion.

@Autolykos

Apparently “left of center guy” JimmyJazz doesn’t even think it’s possible for her to lift herself and her son out of poverty.

@JimmyJazz

ad hominem attack.

In no way was that an ad hominem.

[JimmyJazz]

It is too an ad hominem, Guilt by association subtype, according to your own source. And you’ve just committed another fallacy (I’ll let you figure out which one) with that post.

[gotlucky]

I also have half a mind to report you for trolling.

[Autolykos]

@JimmyJazz

It is too an ad hominem,

Right, because you say so, it must be true! How could we have forgotten that? Silly us.

@JimmyJazz

and you’ve just committed another fallacy (I’ll let you figure out which one) with that post.

What affect do you expect this to have on GotLucky - or anyone else, for that matter?

[gotlucky]

To anyone interested, this is a post by JimmyJazz from another thread:

@JimmyJazz

I am a left-of-center guy, but I’d ally with Ron Paul on foreign policy so fast it’d make your head spin. He’s one of the only people I know of in the federal government who has a record of consistent opposition to U.S. interventionism and playing World Cop. When I saw him in a presidential debate talking about how Iranian ‘aggression’ is largely traceable to the U.S.-led 1953 coup against Mossadegh, I knew he was the real deal on foreign policy. Contrast that to some of the most left-leaning members of congress, like Bernie Sanders, who calls himself a socialist, but voted for ‘humanitarian’ (!) bombing of Kosovo in the 1990s.

Anyway, here’s my question: I am well plugged-in to the leftist anti-interventionist and anti-imperialist web sources, but I’d like to get more plugged-in to those coming from the libertarian side. I already read antiwar.com, which spans the right-left divide. Can anyone recommend some libertarian sites/blogs/fora which are consistently critical of and firmly stand against the “interventionist consensus” of the political mainstream?

So apparently it’s an ad hominem to quote someone. Cute.

[JimmyJazz]

It’s not my problem if you don’t understand logic and logical fallacies.

[Autolykos]

Oops, I forgot the hyphens - let me correct that real quick.

[JimmyJazz]

Hey gotlucky, can you tell me what an ad hominem attack is?

[gotlucky]

Lmao. You cannot accuse Autolykos of falsely calling you as left of center if you have already claimed you are.

[Autolykos]

@JimmyJazz

Hey gotlucky, can you tell me what an ad hominem attack is?

Didn’t he already do that by linking to the Wikipedia article about it? Or did you happen to miss that?

[JimmyJazz]

Guilt by associationMain article: Association fallacy

This form of the argument is as follows:

1. Source S makes claim C.
2. Group G, which is currently viewed negatively by the recipient, also makes claim C.
3. Therefore, source S is viewed by the recipient of the claim as associated to the group G and inherits how negatively viewed it is.

[Autolykos]

@gotlucky

Lmao. You cannot accuse Autolykos of falsely calling you as left of center if you have already claimed you are.

Indeed. And my intention was in no way to attack - it was to dispel any notion that JimmyJazz is a libertarian.

I did attack you, JimmyJazz, in calling you dishonest. I continue to make that accusation.

[SkepticalMetal]

Oh man - how did this thread end up as a war over definitions?

[JimmyJazz]

“And my intention was in no way to attack - it was to dispel any notion that JimmyJazz is a libertarian.”

Doubtful. Your TRUE intention was to discredit anything I have said in this thread based on a four word phrase I said about myself in a past thread. Shame on you.

[gotlucky]

It’s not.

[SkepticalMetal]

It seems to me that it is, or that’s a part of it at least.

[gotlucky]

Who is defining what?

[Autolykos]

@JimmyJazz

Doubtful.

You’re free to not believe me. But if you don’t, then that’s your problem.

@JimmyJazz

Your TRUE intention was to discredit anything I have said in this thread based on a four word phrase I said about myself in a past thread.

… Please go right ahead and back that up.

@JimmyJazz

Shame on you.

Too bad I don’t feel ashamed.

[SkepticalMetal]

JimmyJazz is posting stuff that he’s found on the internet about what an ad hominem is, and so forth.