How would you convince a poor person to become libertarian?

You’re clearly being dishonest in saying that I suggested she dig ditches. Please show me where I suggested that.

Nope. It was actually a question. It was also meant to be answered. Either way, some people just aren’t interested in being a libertarian.

Yes. There was this post of mine that you have conveniently ignored:

Add: JimmyJazz to become her savior.

she could get a group of her family to dress up in uniforms and wear guns and go around town extorting money from people.

Her level of education will affect the kind of job she can work. Why have her years of formal education proved to insufficient in the competitive job market? That’s a good place to start. Non-competitive government schools.

Living in an urban area is often quite dangerous, as well. This, among other things like unnecessary regulations, makes businesses not want to set up shop there, thus reducing opportunity, and reducing supply of goods and services relative to those available in the suburbs, making living there more expensive.

Then go into why it’s dangerous there. War on Drugs, hopelessness as a result of a failing education system, families breaking apart, etc.

“Add: JimmyJazz to become her savior.”

Please. I am not going to give her something for nothing.

Now, if she becomes an escort, or a prostitute in my local brothel, or she offers to sell me some lemonade in the park, then I may consider giving her some money for goods or services rendered.

Well, JimmyJazz? Are you going to show just where I suggested she dig ditches or not?

So instead of paying her for services rendered, you might consider paying her for services rendered. And here I thought you were concerned about the plight of this poor woman, but instead you might even steal from her!

“Have I missed anything?”

Yes. She could get her kinfolk to arm themselves and extort money from people. They can dress in uniforms and show their vitcims signed documents to possibly make them feel a little better.

Is your example a Christian? because if she is, Jesus and the old testament taught us that stealing is wrong. Plain and simple.

Why not? Why do you even care if she becomes libertarian if not for altruistic reasons?

“Why do you even care if she becomes libertarian[…]?”

I don’t. I am one of those people who would more or less write off the possibility of a person like her becoming a libertarian. I’m just wondering if anyone else has a different opinion.

Apparently you’re doing more in this thread than just wondering that.

Is your example a Christian? because if she is, Jesus and the old testament taught us that stealing is wrong. Plain and simple.

Are you implying that none of the robbers in uniforms are Christians?

she only works 50 hours a week, start her on 140+ to work up a work ethic.

Of course it is possible for her to become libertarian.

While not a black woman I resemble some aspects of the op, being a broke guy working crap jobs making little money (while attempting entrepreneurial ventures). On facebook I’ve recently been surprised at how many people in a similar position at crap jobs that I have evidentally inspired to become fairly libertarian.

I think the most convincing of my standard arguements for lower income people is the fact that individual rights are protection for the poorest of individuals. The rich can always buy influence, the only protection for the poor is individual rights. Government outside the scope of protecting rights will always be hijacked by powerful interests against the powerless.

Apparently “left-of-center guy” JimmyJazz doesn’t even think it’s possible for her to lift herself and her son out of poverty.

FDR reference?

“Apparently “left of center guy” JimmyJazz […]”

ad hominem attack.

Oh and you haven’t made any ad-hominem attacks already? That’s rich.

Maybe I’ll go ahead and report every single post you’ve made in this thread, including the OP, for trolling. I think there’s at least one moderator who would agree with that assessment.

By the way, I actually wasn’t making an ad-hominem attack. Anyone who looks at your posting history will see that you called yourself a “left-of-center guy” not too long ago.