Hunting dopheeen and whaaale

[John_James]

@Aristophanes

This is kind of like a “should the U.S. attack Iran” question. You’ll have to identify “the West”.

If it’s more of a generic question, and you want to know if “anyone” should “put pressure” on “the Japanese” to stop hunting dolphins, then you’d have to define those terms as well.

JJ, you need to learn jest.

Half of your post is worthless criticism of my semantics.

Well which is it? Were you just not serious or did you just not pick the right words?

@Aristophanes

You’d have to define “clash culture.”

Read Samuel Huntington’s “Clash of Civilizations” if you need this kind of thing spelled out for you. It is hugely respected among US academic and policy circles. If you knew anything about geopolitics outside of the LvMI you’d know exactly what it means to “clash civilizations” or “cultures”

I didn’t ask what is “hugely respected among US academic and policy circles”. I’m not even sure what that is supposed to mean in this context. I can’t say I’ve ever really heard of a term being “hugely respected”.

I said you’ll have to offer what you mean when you use that term. People use ambiguous terms like that all the time. “We”, “the West”, “the Japanese”, “put pressure on”…“obscene”, “growth”, “wealth”, “property”, “mental illness”, “power”…every single one of these terms is used all the time and has an easily sourced definition from a dictionary or encyclopedia. In your language you might say they are “hugely respected among US academic and policy circles” (but I’m just guessing, as I’m not quite sure what that is supposed to mean.)

But as I would have thought someone at least of your experience would understand, being “hugely respected?” doesn’t exactly mean you can throw those terms around without having to define them. I’m sorry if this is news to you. It’s possible I made too much of an assumption about your level of intellectual understanding.

See those links for examples in which those seemingly simply, supposedly easily understood, and probably “well respected” terms are requested to be defined.

I know people protest KFC, but that’s not what this is about.

Sure seemed like that’s what it was about.

I used that angle to point out that they are actively trying to depress another society, when the same atrocities are being committed on their dinner table.

And as I said, how exactly is it that you know “the same atrocities are being committed on their dinner table?” Have you been to all their houses? Do you know “bleeding hearts” that have told you that? Do you converse with the “bleeding hearts” who happen to be food safety regulators? Or are you just using “google”?? Or your ass?

This was pushed at me on the internet (I NEVER see anti Tyson postings or signs around town or campus…) I pointed out that it is characteristic of a culture (ours) that thinks they can demand others change their traditions to conform to the Western ideal. Again, if you need “The West” defined look at a god damn globe. It is EUROPE and NORTH AMERICA.

I’ve never in my life heard of a continent demanding something. I was under the impression that only individuals act. But I’m open to learning new things.

Please share the resources which document “EUROPE and NORTH AMERICA” making demands.

@Aristophanes

The WEST is also, colloquially, the whole range of culture that has grown from ROME and GREECE.

Never heard of a culture demanding things either.

I’m afraid you don’t even have the prerequisite understanding of the history of your own culture (evidenced by your ignorance of the basic terminology) to even try to criticize me for nit picking some liberal activists on the internet. Your condescension bites your own ass.

I’m not sure what any of this has to do with anything. It appears to me that you have simply anthropomorphized a cardinal direction to make a grossly generalized statement about an entire hemisphere(?) of human beings…lumping literally billions of people into a single group that all hold this one characteristic that you wish to ascribe to them.

Sounds more like simple laziness on your part than anything else. But feel free to attack me if it makes you feel better I guess.

your (a) point is incorrect.

Sure is a lot of white and gray space on that map.

@Aristophanes

And it wouldn’t matter even if it wasn’t as dolphins can still exist in places where they aren’t hunted. I even use the example of an Atlantic bottlenose. They exist in a region where they aren’t hunted… (0.o) …because it is illegal to do so in the US system. Aaand (b) and (c) aren’t worth it.

Isn’t (c) exactly the “legal” thing you just said in the sentence before?

Endangering the existence of a species is different than feeling sorry for them and hating the people that eat them.

Okay. Because of course no one is killing endangered whales and dolphins.

@Aristophanes

Indians don’t boycott the US over our cruelty to the bovine.

And?

haha

Says the guy who tries to claim that dophins aren’t everywhere in the world…

Again, lot of white and gray space on that map. Quite a bit of it in the oceans.

@Aristophanes

It’s not about the “Asian’s hungry stomach.” Most Japanese don’t even know what’s going on…they don’t know how the dolphins are killed or where the meat comes from…let alone how contaminated it is. (Not unlike Americans and the poultry, meat, and other things they eat…although the dolphin meat is way more dangerous.)

Have you been to Japan? Do you know Japanese people that have told you that? Do you converse with the Japanese food safety regulators? Or are you just using “google”??

Would it make a difference? Would you still not come back and say “well that’s just your experience…you don’t know all the Japanese people”. Would it make a difference if I showed you video of regular Japanese on the street being shown footage of dolphin drive hunting and their reaction of shock and disgust? Would it make a difference if I showed you interviews of Japanese scientists stopped eating tuna and dolphin from the grocery stores after they tested it and themselves for mercury levels? How about city councilmen explaining why they stuck their necks out to try and get dolphin meat removed from school lunches?

I assume you’d just tell me the videos were “Photoshopped”?

…Because you also said that dolphins are in specific regions of the world (which is wrong)…unless you meant water.

Again, lot of white space on that map.

They are exclusive to water covered regions of the Earth or water filled tanks…

“Everywhere in the world”, “everywhere there is water” etc…but your own source proves you wrong. It’s actually quite comical how proud you are of this point. This is literally the third time you’ve brought it up in this one post alone.

When did “libertarian” come into this? Can you take those goggles off?

What goggles? You’re bitching because someone is voicing their opinion that dolphins shouldn’t be slaughtered and fed to people. You make it sound like there is something wrong with that.

I’m just asking what exactly is wrong about it.

@Aristophanes

I’m saying that it is unreasonable to think that you can tell others what is right.

I thought they were saying it was immoral and/or unethical? Are you suggesting it is unreasonable to think you can tell others what is immoral and/or unethical? Are you moral relativist now?

So, the goal of the anti-dolphin hunting campaign is for the US to boycott Japan? Why not boycott China for eating dogs? or Brazil for not killing all of the cannibals? Or Australia, or South Africa, or Laos, or Thailand (they sell kids over there!)??

I can’t say exactly what the goal of those protesters is. You’d have to ask each of them. But I would assume their goal would be to have dolphin slaughter and consumption end.

But hey I could be wrong. Stranger things have happpened.

I also happen to think it is immoral to denounce a cultural trend and demand its abolition based on your judgment of their culinary habits. And especially so, when the Tyson, KFC thing is…still a thing.

That’s an interesting invocation of morality. (Especially considering what you were likely implying about the subject only a few lines above. Are you bloomj31?) I’m also still not clear on how exactly urging people to stop slaughtering and eating dolphins is immoral simply because chickens are slaughtered and eaten too.

I don’t quite follow the logic there. You’re saying that if these people didn’t protest the dolphins and only focused their efforts on the poultry first…and then turned their attention to the dolphins after chicken slaughter ceased…then it wouldn’t be immoral?

What is it exactly that makes the order in which their efforts are focused moral or immoral? And how exactly is that determined? And what if these people are consistent across the board…vegans who protest the slaughter of all animals? Literally tens of thousands, if not hundreds of thousands, if not millions of these people exist. I fail to see where the “immorality” comes in in their protest.

Perhaps you could enlighten us all. Jacob Spinney would be incredibly interested to hear why exactly he’s an immoral person, I’m sure.

I care less and less about “libertarianism” everyday. (I deleted this section to avoid flame). It is unrealistic and has a history of lack of success. I’ll stay in favor of it personally, but pragmatically, or when discussing politics outside of a theoretical manner, it is useless.

That’s too bad.