I think relationships between individuals(groups) are doomed to failure forever.

[Jon_Irenicus]

Which we are.

[AnonLLF]

@Smiling Dave

Don’t mind me, just some Sociology ideas I’m playing with.

1. Some individual personalities will never get along

possibly but such is life.You can’t be friends with everyone.Sad but true.

2. Individuals with personal problems distort their ends, and utilities. They need to get help to achieve ends with little error.

yes

I agree.

3. Individuals with personal problems would rather persist with them, then get help. There problems are a result of conditioning.

yes .

I agree though only sometimes this is true.

4. Such individuals are screwed for life, and aren’t stable in relationships(friendship or romantic) and therefore because another individual is required for a relationship, the other individual, possibly even stable, will be less an individual to have a relationship with. Therefore, some are condemned to being alone.

Research suggests that screwed up people can be “happily” [for them] married to other screw ups, if their screw ups fit. Simple example would be a sadist marrying a masochist. You get the idea.

I agree with this.

5. Individuals, most, aren’t capable of rational logical decisions, and often let emotions distort reasoning.

I would agree had you said “some”. What is your evidence for “most”?

Sometimes .We are all guilty of this occassionally that’s why human being’s aren’t perfect and in a weird way it’s probably for the best.

“I hate to say but a good majority of people have problems”

problems in what sense?

The problem with people imo, is their attitudes and shitty personalities, not their actions.

seems like a bit of both.No offense but you seem to have a pessimistic misanthropic view of the world and humanity as a whole because of your past experiences.I think if you thought of things in a different way you’d feel alot better about the world.I speak on this from experience.I think depression too might be clouding your mind.

some things to think about

1. Not everyone is evil.Most are generally good people (except being statists).Your bad experiences are making you generalise onto the whole of humanity.this is dangerous ground ,my friend.

2. someone who manipulates you is not a friend.

3. there will always be horrible people ( i.e. immoral, nasty I don’t mean people who commit crimes) in society.You just have to learn to deal with them.Have courage and strength of self.Let stupid comments and hurtful criticism pass over you.Don’t get so angry because in the end your only hurting yourself.You need to learn either to forgive what happened or forget it but in any case move on.It happened.it’s over.no point wishing you could change it.The future lies with you and you must work to make it what you want it to be.Being pessimistic helps no one.It just means you have no motive for anything.Pessimism is essentially death, the bleakest nihilism.while no one is saying the world is rosy eyed puppy dogs and cotton candy ,there is plenty of great,nice,moral beautiful things about the world.as Emerson said “instead of decrying the bad ,chant the good”.Focus on what’s good not what’s bad.The smallest most random good gesture or act in the world definately outweights the most dark evil act.

4. If you go around in society with the pre-conceived notion that everyone or almost everyone is evil or nasty then you will act as if they are going to be and will perceive little meaningless things as slights and insults(it becomes a self fulfilling prophecy).this is not the way to be.your not doing yourself any favours.

Someone who kills can be a good person, but just does terrible actions.

I could be wrong but I think what you mean to say here is 1 of 2 things

either you mean (a) that people can have do intentions but do wrong or (b) someone can be generally good yet still commit a murder.

What if, even more, individuality was diminished,

Some people consider this as the very essence of diminishing the quality of life.

I would agree.Destroy individuality and you destroy society.

I’m not sure I get your hatred of elites-if by elites you mean people who are superior in certain respects or areas.

A good way to look at that is this:

if everyone was equal(I.e. no superior people in certain thingd) who would we have to look up to ,to make us strive to suceed and accomplish great things.

it’s the superior people who stop us becoming arrogant.

if everyone was equal (i.e. no inferior people in certain things) who would we have to want to work to achieve better things.Who would we have to show us where we came from.who would.

it’s the inferior people who stop us becoming disheartened.

[AnonLLF]

No offense to anyone inspired by him but Molyneux isn’t the perfect person to get advice from.

In so far as he’s an-cap and libertarian he’s great but I would add some caveats to that.

Be careful of his ideas on the family.He has the weird idea that statism and desire for statism comes from the family( …and this idea differs from Hoppe’s idea of natural elites and state emergence from them and that whole thing..) this drives him to see families as inherently full of conflict and controlling.I find his ideas of family and psychology of the family distasteful , a bit overreaching and slightly cultlike.

His arguments are sometimes weaker than he makes out.

“They will develop a personality that will set them up for failure. This is a tradition that is passed on through generations.”

you forget free will.People can and do escape these types of situations.It’s just it requires will power,psychological help of some kind and a change in thinking.

[Democracy_for_Breakf]

@Jon Irenicus

Which we are.

So you believe that you are naturally above everyone else and have some special kind of intellect

[joshnorris14]

@Novus Zarathustra

So you believe that you are naturally above everyone else and have some special kind of intellect

If the shoe fits wear it.

[filc]

@Novus Zarathustra

@Jon Irenicus

Which we are.

So you believe that you are naturally above everyone else and have some special kind of intellect

People like Jon, and many on this forum, are a bit more well read than the average Joe. It has nothing to do with any type of ‘special’ intellect but it does have something to do with taking the time and responsibility of learning about one’s convictions before developing a superficial argument. That wonderful trait is generally missed amongst the mass majority of others.

My recommendation to you is reading the first several chapters of Human Action and see if it answers any of your questions.

[Democracy_for_Breakf]

@Scott F

you forget free will.People can and do escape these types of situations.It’s just it requires will power,psychological help of some kind and a change in thinking.

Free Will’s existence is subjective. Some people don’t change because they don’t know how to, or have been conditioned by nature to set themselves up for negative decision making, and lead down a bad path. Maybe, they don’t even have the will to, if they do it might become too late.

I knew a girl who was shallow, and even admitted she was. This is not a personality trait that is good to have, but she didn’t seem to want to change it. Rather, she couldn’t, she was conditioned by the mainstream media to grow into that kind of personality. She doesn’t have the mindset, or the intelligence, to think about it differently because she grew up in a one-sided world. She never will, you don’t undo conditioning.

[AnonLLF]

@Novus Zarathustra

Some people don’t change because they don’t know how to(which is why they need shown or helped), or have been conditioned by nature to set themselves up for negative decision making**,(nothing like this is set in stone.You have a very behavioristic deterministic pessimistic world view.No wonder your so depressed.)** and lead down a bad path. Maybe, they don’t even have the will to, if they do it might become too late.

I knew a girl who was shallow, and even admitted she was. This is not a personality trait that is good to have, but she didn’t seem to want to change it**( she obviously though that her shallowness had some advantage to it or was desirable in some way.It was her false understanding that led her to cling onto it not the fact that she couldn’t).** Rather, she couldn’t, she was conditioned by the mainstream media to grow into that kind of personality. She doesn’t have the mindset, or the intelligence, to think about it differently because she grew up in a one-sided world. She never will, you don’t undo conditioning**(You might as well give up everything now if that’s your doomsday view.I think your very wrong about this determinist picture of the world and it’s probably the reason you feel so depressed.)**

[Democracy_for_Breakf]

@Scott F

@Novus Zarathustra

Some people don’t change because they don’t know how to(which is why they need shown or helped), or have been conditioned by nature to set themselves up for negative decision making**,(nothing like this is set in stone.You have a very behavioristic deterministic pessimistic world view.No wonder your so depressed.)** and lead down a bad path. Maybe, they don’t even have the will to, if they do it might become too late.

I knew a girl who was shallow, and even admitted she was. This is not a personality trait that is good to have, but she didn’t seem to want to change it**( she obviously though that her shallowness had some advantage to it or was desirable in some way.It was her false understanding that led her to cling onto it not the fact that she couldn’t).** Rather, she couldn’t, she was conditioned by the mainstream media to grow into that kind of personality. She doesn’t have the mindset, or the intelligence, to think about it differently because she grew up in a one-sided world. She never will, you don’t undo conditioning**(You might as well give up everything now if that’s your doomsday view.I think your very wrong about this determinist picture of the world and it’s probably the reason you feel so depressed.)**

How exactly is it wrong? Chemicals in our brain register stimuli associated with life-changing events in our memory.

@Scott F

which is why they need shown or helped

They tend to stick with abusive friends, or friends of their intellectual level. None of them would be bright enough to give the advice that he/she needs. Maybe someone does give them good advice, but then they ignore it.

@Scott F

nothing like this is set in stone.You have a very behavioristic deterministic pessimistic world view.No wonder your so depressed.

Very few people are willing to advocate their own health, or try to reinforce their lifestyle so that they are the best they can be. If they were conditioned improperly under irresponsible,abusive, or immature parents.

@Scott F

she obviously though that her shallowness had some advantage to it or was desirable in some way.It was her false understanding that led her to cling onto it not the fact that she couldn’t)

Conditioning by the mass media. Teen girls see the vain, attractive, dead sexy female musician or celebrity as admirable traits, and want to live up to them.

Plus, we were neat friends. It would have been more logical to embrace how well our personalities worked together. She would have enjoyed it too. However, her conditioning got in the way. She only wants to talk to hot and “cool” guys. Had she not been conditioned, she would see the value in a friendship.

@Scott F

You might as well give up everything now if that’s your doomsday view.I think your very wrong about this determinist picture of the world and it’s probably the reason you feel so depressed.

Can you convince me that there’s a chemical for ‘Free Will’? Or that such metaphysical, or God exists?