I think relationships between individuals(groups) are doomed to failure forever.

Don’t mind me, just some Sociology ideas I’m playing with.

  1. Some individual personalities will never get along

  2. Individuals with personal problems distort their ends, and utilities. They need to get help to achieve ends with little error.

  3. Individuals with personal problems would rather persist with them, then get help. There problems are a result of conditioning.

  4. Such individuals are screwed for life, and aren’t stable in relationships(friendship or romantic) and therefore because another individual is required for a relationship, the other individual, possibly even stable, will be less an individual to have a relationship with. Therefore, some are condemned to being alone.

  5. Individuals, most, aren’t capable of rational logical decisions, and often let emotions distort reasoning.

I hate to say but a good majority of people have problems, that only they can get help for. Its not possible to help or change someone remotely with your influence.

This might distort the free market, because how is a workplace supposed to function with shitty individuals? The production will diminish if Worker A always gets into an argument with Asshole Worker B and therefore work and production through the means of such employment is desired less.

The problem with people imo, is their attitudes and shitty personalities, not their actions. Someone who kills can be a good person, but just does terrible actions. What if these terrible actions, are used as force against terrible people? Would society therefore be a better place?

What if, even more, individuality was diminished, therefore everyone would be forced to cooperate because their life depended on it. Would society be a better place? There wouldn’t be any assholes, pricks, or bitches interfering with a man’s means, and diminishing the quality of his/her life.

“Someone who kills can be a good person, but just does terrible actions.”

Huh?

Invididuality is what determines the nature of exchange in the unhampered market. It’s the reason we cannot enshrine other people’s interests above all others in statute and law. None of the things you listed “distort” in any way the “free market”. The free market is what it is and it has always been the product of our flawed humanity and our consequent drive to make for ourselves a better life. The price system resulting from the law of supply and demand provides the check against our perpetual desire to consume What “forces” people to cooperate is the nature of the human condition; a (tacit) realization that the division of labour and voluntary exchange is the only way to accumulate capital and create wealth in per-capita quantities that outstrip capital consumption and population growth.

To all of those things you listed I say: “And yet here we are.”

This world is not exactly the most pleasant place. Which was my point. Shitty humans make it unpleasant to live in.

The Bomb In the Brain -The Biology of Violence, Stefen Molyneux

If you watch this, you will understand that if a mother is not responsible, treats the child like shit, doesn’t act like a civil and nice human being the child may be fucked for life. They will develop a personality that will set them up for failure. This is a tradition that is passed on through generations.

If I a child has mental problems in their teen years, they will be alienated by other teenagers and not make many friends. Their attitude will destroy them for life.

“What if, even more, individuality was diminished, therefore everyone would be forced to cooperate because their life depended on it. Would society be a better place? There wouldn’t be any assholes, pricks, or bitches interfering with a man’s means, and diminishing the quality of his/her life.”

Probably true, but it ain’t gonna happen.

Pure poppycock. Can you reconcile any of your manifesto bullets with evolutionary history? How is being an asshole and pissing off others an evolutionary advantage? How did that help our ancestors acquire more resources, mates and produce more children? Please read [this ](http://www.econlib.org/library/Bastiat/basHar1.html#Chapter 1)to address in specific where you are going wrong.

Clayton -

Molyneaux… [8-)] as I’ve heard him described, “anarchy through therapy”. Personally, I think that the hyper-voluntaryists like Molyneaux - while admirable - make the same mistake as pacifists on the issue of self-defense… namely, they forget that violence (or the threat of it) actually plays an integral role in human social relationships. Without it, restraint of individual self-interest would be impossible. Another way to say it… in the land of pacifists, the serial murderer is king.

Clayton -

What “treatment” could you give them? I knew a girl who dropped out of High School, had abandonment issues, lived in her mom’s apartment who threatens to kick her out into the streets everyday, has bipolar disorder and refuses to medicate, refuses to even get a GED at Night Ed school, spreads lies about her BF like hes some horrible person.

I’ve given her lots of logical advice and done the best I can to tell her which decisions would be most wise. Instead she just refutes what I say, and says she wants to suffer, live with no education, and have manic crying and extreme mental breakdown moments because she doesn’t want to see a Psychiatrist.

I almost dropped out of High School because all the kids were assholes. Made me depressed most of the time, and not want to go to school or work hard.

I had an abusive friend for years who tried to discourage me, and make me feel inferior about my goals. He could condescend me any chance he got, and try to make me feel unintelligent. He would alienate me, and ostracize me whenever we were with friends of his or something. It made me not want to have good social skills, and believe all the flaws I had were true since he was a 27 year old adult and a kindergarten teacher.

What if someone made your life a living hell, and gained enjoyment out of making you miserable? Or had an abusive attitude, yeah this is individuality to be really proud of aint it? This is what is called “Might is Right” or “Competition of the fittest”.

There shouldn’t be any assholes, pricks, or bitches interfering with a man’s means, and diminishing the quality of his/her life.

Fix’d. Such people will eventually destroy a society. The natural elites, who refuse to accept their normal human conditions(such as needing to be admired more or feel superior to the common man) will devalue who they deem weaker, diminish their production, and take control of the means of production.

I feel liked you just flip flopped all of a sudden.

Your response is unserious.

Clayton -

No. You were saying 2+2=5. Clayton came back with “How wrong you are. The Wizard of Oz told me different.”

In other words, he correctly said you are wrong, but for the wrong reason

All but the last q [“who has time” etc] is serious and has to be addressed, despite being stated in a [hopefully] humorous way.

She sure as hell had mental breakdowns that said otherwise. I guess she wanted to suffer. But she has a harmful personality, and is screwed for life unless she does something, which she won’t. She will become unproductive. Unproductive individuals are a burden on society, especially the market.

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You know, those people are the minority right?

I’ve been able to grow old enough to realize what is and what isn’t. However, there are people that don’t and are suppressed for long periods of time. Having crushed cognitive functions reduces their likelihood of standing up for themselves. Therefore, the elites take control of a society since weak and submitted people will not rebel.

No, not always true. There is a such thing as “Narcissistic Personality Disorder” where a person’s mental process is surrounded around the means of achieving admiration as a utility. Narcissists feel a need to be admired, and feel superior to other people because they are intelligent or extremely adept physically. I have a friend who had NPD and every game he played, he became really good at. He always tried to be the best at doing something, and succeeded at it. He was the top PvPer on 3 servers for an MMO.

He also liked to manipulate people and play mind games, because he enjoyed it. He was a damn psychopath. He loved Psychology. He’s said himself that he is going to be “the leader of something big”.

You wither work or starve. Some individuals make the choice to do just that, not work and starve, or rather leech off of someone else or soup kitchens.

Still don’t believe it. There’s a such thing as elitists, which are people who believe they are “special snowflakes”.

I haven’t proved it, so I guess we agree to disagree

Narcissists have a “god complex” and believe they are superior intellectually, or that they are some gifted person.

http://www.halcyon.com/jmashmun/npd/