I want to see Rothbardians defend a puppy getting its ears and tail hacked off

I don’t know (or care*) about Rothbard’s position, but from an AnCap, anti-monopoly perspective the solution is simple. Consumer needs and wants will be better reflected without a monopoly on force, so whatever people in society want to see happen in this dog scenario will be more likely to happen under AnCap than under our current system. Heck, if enough people in a certain society that has no monopoly on force want to bring back human slavery, they will. It’s just far less likely for that to happen in anarchy than under Statism, because more people are opposed to slavery than for it. So if enough people in an AnCap society want dogs to have “rights,” they will de facto have them because some firms will take an interest in filling that market demand.

All governments do is distort market signals so that consumer voices are more poorly reflected, and charge through the nose for the service. Getting rid of government monopoly minimizes the distortion, but the problem of evil consumer preferences never goes away fully. To fix that, you’d have to fix human nature.

*Because the source of an idea has no bearing on its legitimacy

Right you are, utility is completely subjective. The question for economics is simply: can the means you use(d) acquire the ends you want(ed).

If I’m not mistaken, he said that mass-killing of dogs was just fine, as long as it is for ‘their own good’.

But they are cute little puppies. You can give up a little freedom for puppies right? [6]

Absolutely absurd; pure utilitarianism is void of common sense.

That’s true. So I guess he supports the mass-killing of dogs but not the mass-chopping-off of dog ears because, according to him, chopping off ears is cruel but killing is not.

And into a place where they can train to become better criminals? I find that thinking to be part of the cause.

So they volunteered to pay for the vet bills, etc.

Nice way of clipping the other part of my statement. I said I agree with the idea of equal rights for all physical human beings under the law, after all, who are you or I to determine when a human is no longer capable of action.

Mises agreed with me on the idea that mentally retarted persons are not technically human in the same sense you or I are.

This is why I try to stick to economics; philosophy gets a bit “complicated.”

  1. Is the dog a self owner?
  2. Are you really this bored?
  3. LS is right, this is why the statists win…

I think I agree, but could you elaborate? Do you disagree that rights (and natural law) are just a shorthand for certain subjective preferences prevalent in society (which also happen to make societies work well if upheld)?

Of course he doesn’t. Only one person has the authority to declare what a certain utterance of sounds means objectively. What say you, Oxford dictionary? [&]

Though I will say this, according to the common usage of the word, he is absolutely correct.

My kitten sure has that same unique ability to reflect on his condition. He sure is bothersome when he is hungry, needs to crap, wants to play, etc.

Necessary- yes. Existing- in our minds, which when others respect them, works out great.

I think the only way animals will acquire rights is if a) they learn to build bombs b) they are cute enough to persuade others to use bombs on their behalf c) if those with bombs decide that there are less violent, more productive ways of saving puppies. (ie: boycotting, contract stipulation, peer pressure, not buying fresh puppy ears on ebay, etc)

Yup.

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Agreed. In more simplistic terms, the common sense he is refering to is an appeal to emotional reaction. When put in those terms, it becomes much more clear to recognize the danger that it poses.

haha. For some reason that was funnier than it should have been.

Thanks Spok! Did I spell his name right?

Correct.

I am just curious what he thinks about starving people. [:|]

What do you propose be done with people whom are a continued danger to others? Soilent green?