If intellectual property was done away with completely...

[filc]

@Stranger

Millions of consumer products also run on electricity, that doesn’t mean you can conflate the production of electricity with the consumer product itself.

Red-herring. You asked for an innovation.

@Stranger

Just name one open-source consumer product

Chrome? Ubuntu? Nearly every app that comes installed on Ubuntu. Chrome OS coming out will be open-source as well.

And everything I mentioned above. How many times do I need to repeat myself?

@Stranger

as it would violate a fundamental law of economics

Oh which law is that?

[filc]

@Stranger

@filc

Stranger, please explain to us how Fascistic protectionist measures are better then straight capitalism.

So basically, the anti-IP argument is now based on name-calling?

What? I’ve asked you before why you bother posting if all you have to offer is garbage. Please write something coherent.

[Stranger]

@filc

Chrome? Ubuntu? Nearly every app that comes installed on Ubuntu. Chrome OS coming out will be open-source as well.

These are all copies of existing consumer products, not innovations. Copies don’t require any R&D investment.

@filc

Oh which law is that?

The law of specialization under the division of labor.

[Stranger]

One thing I forgot to mention but that needs to be pointed out - if IP were abolished, the Linux license, GPL, would become invalid as well. No one using Linux would be required to release their source code any longer.

Now why would the Linux people use IP if they don’t believe in the necessity of IP?

[filc]

@Stranger

It won’t be, that’s the whole point. The consumers will be hurt by the destruction of the consumer software business. If there was no need for IP, as you claim, then this business would not disappear as it would already be operating under this model!

Well if you want to trick yourself into thinking that software can only be distributed in one single fassion, a fassion that has develoiped around the apparatus of state protection, then I could see why you would be incapable of fathoming a better situation.

Despite the fact that we still have IP however the structure of production and distribution IS changing. In the coming years people will stop buying monolithic computers and MS Windows will have a serious time competing as virtually everything will be available on the cloud. People will be able to buy 200 dollar machines and play top of the line games on it, via the cloud for example.

Virtualization will allow users to no longer pick and choose which OS they want but just carry the libraries of OS’s they want and run apps for anything they want, using the GUI of whichever OS they want. Eventually OS’s will change drastically due to virtualization. People want an app from Linux, an app from Mac, and an app from Windows. Virtualization is making this happen and it’s getting better every year. They’re making vmware for phones now.

The structure of production and distribution IS changing, despite how you THINK it should be done. The consumer is ultimately the boss, not you. Despite IP laws efforts software company’s are adhering to consumer demand. Today’s current industry shift is a direct refutation of your whole premise.

Do you know anything about the software/PC industry right now?

[Stranger]

@filc

Despite the fact that we still have IP however the structure of production and distribution IS changing. In the coming years people will stop buying monolithic computers and MS Windows will have a serious time competing as virtually everything will be available on the cloud. People will be able to buy 200 dollar machines and play top of the line games on it, via the cloud for example.

I heard exactly the same thing 10 years ago.

[filc]

@Stranger

One thing I forgot to mention but that needs to be pointed out - if IP were abolished, the Linux license, GPL, would become invalid as well. No one using Linux would be required to release their source code any longer.

Now why would the Linux people use IP if they don’t believe in the necessity of IP?

Because your conflating the open-source communistic model communities with companies that just simply want to free themselves of vampiric contracts.

[filc]

@Stranger

I heard exactly the same thing 10 years ago.

Lieing won’t give your argument more weight.

[filc]

@Stranger

@filc

Oh which law is that?

The law of specialization under the division of labor.

None-sequitur.

@Stranger

These are all copies of existing consumer products, not innovations. Copies don’t require any R&D investment.

All technology is built off of previous. And Yes, many of those apps did require extensive R&D. What kind of expert are you in the field to have an authoritative position on technology, than sit here and tell me it didn’t require R&D? The only thing Chrome built on top of was webkit.

It certainly was an innovative windows browser. But innovations are subject to opinion as you have gracefully

[Giant_Joe]

@Stranger

Not if I can sell Microsoft Office for 2$ a CD. Not if a large corporation can buy one CD for 2$ and run it on thousands of office PCs.

Steam, The Ultimate Online Game Platform

[filc]

Why do I get the feeling stranger that this is just a petty argument. And that being right is more important than the actual discussion? Your arguing about software technology, that which you apparently know little about?

[Stranger]

@filc

@Stranger

I heard exactly the same thing 10 years ago.

Lieing won’t give your argument more weight.

You haven’t given any example of an innovative open-source consumer software package. I don’t even need an argument at all.

[filc]

@Giant_Joe

@Stranger

Not if I can sell Microsoft Office for 2$ a CD. Not if a large corporation can buy one CD for 2$ and run it on thousands of office PCs.

http://store.steampowered.com/about/

And http://www.apple.com/iphone/apps-for-iphone/ for Iphone, And http://www.direct2drive.com/ for PC. The distribution of software is changing, as is it’s production. Thanks Joe!

[Stranger]

@Giant_Joe

@Stranger

Not if I can sell Microsoft Office for 2$ a CD. Not if a large corporation can buy one CD for 2$ and run it on thousands of office PCs.

http://store.steampowered.com/about/

Steam games have been easily hacked before. Without IP there would be nothing stopping a competing company from taking Steam games, removing the account validation, and selling it back for 2$.

I don’t think any of you understand the difference between security and safety.

[filc]

@filc

Despite the fact that we still have IP however the structure of production and distribution IS changing. In the coming years people will stop buying monolithic computers and MS Windows will have a serious time competing as virtually everything will be available on the cloud. People will be able to buy 200 dollar machines and play top of the line games on it, via the cloud for example.

@Stranger

I heard exactly the same thing 10 years ago.

@filc

Lieing won’t give your argument more weight.

@Stranger

You haven’t given any example of an innovative open-source consumer software package. I don’t even need an argument at all.

open-source consumer software package has nothing to do with the original point. You make yourself look bad. I don’t even have to try.

And for the record I’ve provided many. You just like to sit in your chair and cherry pick which new products are considered ‘new innovations’ by your standards. Ironically however, by your standards, closed source software hasn’t innovated anything either.

[filc]

@Stranger

Steam games have been easily hacked before. Without IP there would be nothing stopping a competing company from taking Steam games, removing the account validation, and selling it back for 2$.

And someone has stolen from walmart before as well. Maybe retail stores should take down their security scanners at the door entrance? Why do you hold a double standard for the software industry?

[nirgrahamUK]

@Stranger

Any way you put it, the author is not going to get paid an advance to write the book, hence the supply of books will shrink.

Assurance Contracts

[filc]

@Stranger

I don’t think any of you understand the difference between security and safety.

And I think it’s quiet apparent you have no idea what your talking about.

By the way where was it that I was insulting you earlier? You seem desperate right now to find strawman and red-herrings.

[Giant_Joe]

@filc

And for the record I’ve provided many. You just like to sit in your chair and cherry pick which new products are considered ‘new innovations’ by your standards. Ironically however, by your standards, closed source software hasn’t innovated anything either.

True. He’s being dishonest and unrealistic.

[Stranger]

@filc

@Stranger

Steam games have been easily hacked before. Without IP there would be nothing stopping a competing company from taking Steam games, removing the account validation, and selling it back for 2$.

And someone has stolen from walmart before as well. Maybe retail stores should take down their security scanners at the door entrance? Why do you hold a double standard for the software industry?

Ha ha! I knew it! You have no idea what security is!

You are proposing that everyone should have the right to steal from Wal-Mart and that any attempt by Wal-Mart to stop thieves should be banned and result in the punishment of Wal-Mart. That is what outlawing intellectual property involves. However, your alternative is for Wal-Mart to install a lot of security scanners and call them “an alternative business model”. That makes no sense at all! People can just run through the scanners without fear of consequences.