Would like to hear everyone’s best arguments against this common anti-privacy line. In particular I’m thinking about the Google kool-aid crowd, “cyber security”, partnerships with the NSA and such. IT Big Brother etc.
Ask them if they poop in privacy. If they say “yes,” respond with “why, are you hiding something?”
Ask them if the Jews had nothing to hide from the Nazis.
Yes, everyone always has something to hide even if it isn’t the thing the authorities are looking for. The incentives to take advantage of this info. is too great.
Perhaps bringing back roman style toilets will be the next aim of the propaganda machine![:P]
let all govt officals of every variety live in glass houses. where there every move can be observed every minute of the day and night.
maybe then they could answer your question the best.
What we need are public baths man. They’d give us a wholesome communal spirit.
Nothing says solidarity like an old guy doing the grandpa stretch in front of you.
Your Innocence Is No Protection
by Harry Browne
December 6, 2003
When the politicians violate the Bill of Rights with the Patriot Act or some other guaranteed-to-bring-peace-and-security-to-the-world scheme, they always reassure us by saying:
“If you aren’t guilty, you have nothing to fear.”
If only that were so. The truth is that innocence is no protection at all against government agencies with the power to do what they think best — or against a government agent hoping for promotion and willing to do whatever he can get away with.
- Tell a businessman he has nothing to fear from the piles of forms he must file to prove he doesn’t discriminate.
-Tell a home owner he has nothing to fear when his property is seized by the government in a mistaken — or contrived — drug raid.
- Tell a taxpayer he has nothing to fear when the IRS drags him into a “taxpayer compliance” audit that eats up a week of his life, costs him thousands of dollars in accounting fees, and threatens him with unbearable penalties.
It is the innocent who suffer most from government’s intrusions. How many times have we seen the following pattern?
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The press and politicians demand that something be done about violent crime, terrorist acts, drug dealing, tax evasion, or whatever is the Urgent Concern of the Month.
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A tough, new, take-no-prisoners law or policy is put into place.
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After the dust settles, the initial “problem” continues unabated, because the guilty continue to slip through the net. But the innocent are left burdened with new chores, expenses, and hazards — more mandatory reports to file, less privacy, reduced access to products and services, higher costs, heavier taxes, and a new set of penalties for those who shirk their duty to fight in the War on ___________ (fill in the blank).
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And, needless to say, the ineffectual law is never repealed.
Being innocent doesn’t allow you to ignore the government’s demands for reports — or to say “No, thanks” when a government agent wants to search your records, your place of business, or your home — or to refuse to observe regulations that were aimed at the guilty, not you.
When coercion is used to solve social problems, we all suffer. The coercion fails to achieve its stated aims, but it is wondrously effective at harming the innocent.
Even worse, every year a few million innocent people suffer special burdens — greater than those the government places on all of us. The dismantling of the Bill of Rights has allowed the government to disrupt their lives, confiscate their property, or even kill them — even though they’ve committed no crimes.
I hope you never become one of them.
Not Even Ministers Are Safe
For example, suppose you’re a 75-year-old minister living in Boston. You’ve worked all your life to console those who are poor in money or spirit.
One afternoon 13 men with sledgehammers break down the door and charge into your apartment. They’re wearing helmets, battle fatigues, and boots — and they’re armed with shotguns and pistols.
They force you to the floor, pin your legs and arms, and handcuff you. They scare you so badly you suffer a heart attack — and within 45 minutes you’re dead.
Who were these criminals?
They weren’t “criminals.” They were members of a SWAT team searching for drugs and guns. There wasn’t anything illegal in your apartment, as you could have told them if they had stopped long enough to ask you.
But they didn’t stop and they didn’t ask. They didn’t have to. They knew you were a bad guy, and they weren’t going to allow you to escape or to flush your drug inventory down the toilet.
Six weeks after you die, it is revealed that the SWAT team raided the wrong apartment. You have been completely exonerated. But, unfortunately, the government can’t bring you back to life.
Not one of the SWAT team members — or the prosecutor who okayed the raid — was prosecuted or suffered any career damage for causing the death. Compare that with a pot smoker who is hurting no one but might have to spend several years in prison if he gets caught.
This isn’t fiction. It is the story of the Reverend Acelynne Williams, and how he died on March 26, 1994.1
Fatal Attractions
And the tale isn’t extraordinary. Donald Scott was shot to death when a task force of 27 men smashed into his house in Malibu, California, on October 2, 1992. They claimed Mr. Scott was growing marijuana — although their only evidence turned out to be a false report from an anonymous informant.2
Similar stories can be told of other people who were shot without warning, whose homes were torn apart, or who went to prison for resisting arrest — people like Harry Davis of Fort Washington, Maryland; Charlotte Waters of Los Angeles; David Gordon of Bridgeport, Connecticut; Xavier Bennett, Jr., of Atlanta; Kenneth Baulch of Garland, Texas; Robin Pratt of Everett, Washington; William Grass of Kentucky; Albert Lewin of Boston; Manuel Ramirez of Stockton, California; Charles DiGristine of Titusville, Florida; and Donald Carlson of San Diego.3
All of them were innocent. But all of them had plenty to fear from government. And now their families will always fear government as much as any Soviet citizen did.
By ignoring the Bill of Rights, acting on anonymous tips and intruding without warrants, government agents have put all of us in jeopardy — the innocent as much as the guilty.
Maybe you haven’t been hurt yet by a government agent acting on a malicious report or on his own ambition. So far, a mean-minded office rival or business competitor hasn’t stooped to giving a false tip about you to the police or the IRS.
Be thankful. And hope it doesn’t happen next year. You might not be given time to prove your innocence.
The Bill of Rights Is for the Innocent
The outrages I’ve mentioned violate the Bill of Rights.
Because government schools don’t teach much about Constitutional safeguards, many people think the Bill of Rights is just a Get-Out-of-Jail-Free card for criminals. And they wonder why we should protect the rights of killers and thieves.
But the Bill of Rights wasn’t written to protect criminals. It was designed to protect you:
• To make sure a zealous prosecutor can’t take you to court over and over again on the same charge — searching for a jury that will convict you.
• To make sure the police can’t break into your home unannounced on the mere chance that you might have some drugs or illegal weapons stashed in your closet.
• To make sure politicians can’t confiscate your home or other property to fulfill some dream of social reform.
• To make sure you don’t have to answer questions put to you by the police — so a ruthless policeman can’t twist your words out of context or browbeat you into confessing something you didn’t do.
• To make sure your attorney can cross-examine any accuser or any witness against you.
Of course these safeguards protect the guilty as well as the innocent. But brushing them aside gives government employees the power to do as they wish — to harass whomever they claim is guilty.
Why There’s So Much Violent Crime
And these safeguards, which are respected less and less every year, haven’t been letting the guilty off. Crime rates haven’t skyrocketed because of criminals using the Bill of Rights to their advantage.
Crime is soaring. . .
• Because the government’s War on Drugs has transformed a minor social problem into an immensely profitable enterprise for those willing to defy the law;
• Because many of the government’s schools have become cesspools;
• Because the government packs the prisons with non-violent offenders, making it necessary to release the thugs early;
• Because the government diverts law-enforcement resources to fighting victimless crimes — as well as to affirmative action, gun control, and other social reforms — leaving too little with which to protect your life and property; and
• Because government schools teach young people that inequality of wealth is unjust — providing a moral justification for taking from someone more “fortunate” than oneself.
The government has inspired or abetted a thousand criminals for each one it has freed on a legal technicality.
Why the Bill of Rights Is Important
When Constitutional safeguards are honored, they rescue innocent people far more often than they let the guilty slip away.
In fact, new laws that violate the Bill of Rights usually hurt the innocent more than the guilty.
The truly guilty make it their business to be aware of a new law and take steps not to let it ensnare them. But the innocent, secure in the knowledge that their innocence will protect them, suddenly find their property confiscated through asset forfeiture — or their liberty destroyed by zealous police or prosecutors trying to pad their conviction records.
And when the Bill of Rights is ignored and an innocent person is convicted, the truly guilty are left free to continue committing violence. That’s why the Bill of Rights must apply to all people — citizens or aliens, innocent or presumed guilty, nice guys or thugs.
Unfortunately, the Constitutional safeguards are ignored more and more by Congress, the police, federal officials, and the courts. Disregarding the Bill of Rights has done nothing to reduce the crime rate, but it has put your life and mine in jeopardy.
As a result, we have neither physical protection from the guilty nor legal protection for the innocent.
Until the Bill of Rights is a living document again, I hope the government doesn’t think you’re suspicious or covet your property for one of its programs.
Your innocence probably won’t protect you.
This article was adapted from a passage in Why Government Doesn’t Work, the complete text of which is now available for downloading at LibertyFree.com.
1This story in recounted in detail in Reason magazine, May 1995, page 48.
2The Wall Street Journal, August 25, 1993, page A11.
3These stories are recounted in Lost Rights by James Bovard.
Article source: http://www.harrybrowne.org/articles/InnocenceNoProtection.htm
Regards, onebornfree.
I guess all the innocent Japanese Americans during WWII had nothing to fear about the government knowing their whereabouts and familial lineages…
Ask them if they would give the same information to you.
The best argument is this whole site.
The “nothing to hide” line is based on the unspoken premise that government is good, never abusive, and always acts in the best interests of society. To even try to refute this argument at face value is to buy into the State’s PR campaign.
Thanks, this thread has everything - poop related one-liners for forum trolling and humor, and well laid out reasoning for real discussions. 
What if I have?
Because I do have something to hide. If I explained myself, it would defeat the purpose of keeping it a secret. 
Winner. [:)]
Heh. If you have, you may or may not be a criminal (with or without a state–you could be hiding past evidence of aggression, theft, fraud, etc.). I think I understand the point you’re trying to make. But when countering an argument like this in a discussion with someone who assumes the vast majority of government laws are needed, challenging that assumption would change the subject away from privacy and this “nothing to hide counterpoint” would remain unchallenged in their minds. Next time I hear this line, I want to shoot it down directly so I don’t have to hear this rubbish over and over, at least from that source.
Disrobe and bend over please. You don’t have anything to hide do you?
I just want to make it clear, before anyone gets any wrong images in their minds, I am not and have never used this (subject) question as an argument. [;)] [:P]
When People ask you this question, quickly reverse it on them:
Have you ever smoked marijuana? ✓(I have and only a handful of times, never developed an interest for any type of drug what so ever)
Have you used any illicit substances like cocaine or heroin?
Have you ever drank as a minor? ✓ (I drank sporadically throughout most of high school, this habit intensified in senior year, now I no longer drink at all)
Have you ever ran from the cops? ✓ ( When parties were broken up everyone ran except theb owner of the house. One time when I was so sober, I didn’t run and the officers were verbally abusive and very threatening)
Have you ever broken the speed limit? ✓ (I have, but I don’t speed intentionally, it’s usually just going with the flow and not impeding traffic. I’ve seen cops blow ahead of me for absolutely no reason and come to a stop at the same light)
Ever watched pornography as a child? (It’s illegal to watch pornography as a minor)
Ever illegally download movies/games/ music? ✓ (I’ve downloaded music when I was much younger)
I’m sure there are plenty of examples, but when people ask you this, they act as if they have a completely clean slate. Besides the fact that every libertarian should be horrified, the average joe doesn’t realize that the Patriot Act has been used for other reasons than its stated purpose…
And when people say they have absolutely nothing to hide, they are lying through their teeth.