Illinois State Illegal Apiary Seizure

So much bad news today. First the MA GOP affadavit against Ron Paul delegates, then DC is making a well known superhero gay, now this…

The author thinks Monsanto is behind this…are there any people on here that think corporations are sacrosanct?

Also, did Rothbard ever concede that corporations only exist because of a contract signed with the State? Basically, no state, no corporation?

In 1906 Frederick Howe wrote a book, Confessions of a Monopolist, now largely forgotten. He detailed how, at the close of the XIX century, the leading figures of Wall Street (J.P. Morgan, J.D. Rockefeller etc) understood that the most efficient way to gain an unchallenged monopoly was to “go political” and make the State go to work for the monopolists under the the pretense of the public good and public interest. To quote Howe himself “Get a monopoly; let Society work for you: and remember that the best of all business is politics, for a legislative grant, franchise, subsidy or tax exemption is worth more than a Kimberly or Comstock lode, since it does not require any labor, either mental or physical, for its exploitation” (p. 157)

Rothbard had read this book and recommended it to anyone who wished to understand the corporate mentality. So did Gabriel Kolko, who chronicled (in Railroads and Regulation 1877-1916) how the railroad monopolists were really behind the pressures for government control and the formation of the Interstate Commerce Commission.

I’ve always made the “no state, no corporations as legal people” argument to statist leftists, with mixed results.

God, I hate Monsanto so much. They are the worst. Billions will die because of them.

Do you intend this to be a statement of belief or a statement of truth?

Auto,

What’s the difference?

You’re kidding me, right?

No. Any statement of “knowledge” can easily be reduced back to a statement of “belief”.

The word “reduced” implies that they aren’t the same thing.

OK, so what’s the difference?

Why don’t you tell me, since apparently you already think there is one (in spite of implying that there isn’t)?

I don’t think they are any different.

Then why did you say “Any statement of ‘knowledge’ can easily be reduced back to a statement of ‘belief’ [emphasis added]” earlier?

Sloppy is as sloppy does.

Because knowledge is based upon a belief in the validity of some qualifier or another (divine revelation, scientific method, etc.). If you question the premises enough, you’ll discover there is no difference.

If you claim a statement of belief, your will to believe becomes the qualifier. So, no there is no difference, just semantics.

It’s like the difference between a cat and a gato.

Yes, sloppy, sloppy. That’s how I like it

Well, that’s a new record. 3 posts before a gibbering descent into grammar school snobbery. I can sense the loins of liberty throbbing with this new achievement. The statists are quaking in their boots. Reductively, of course.

re·duce (r-ds, -dys)

v. re·duced, re·duc·ing, re·duc·es

*v.*tr.

7. Mathematics To simplify the form of (an expression, such as a fraction) without changing the value.

Hmmmm… The real question is do you pronounce the ‘y’ sound?

LOL, we do have fun, don’t we?

Hey look, I can play the “cherry-pick a definition” game too:

And no, I personally don’t consider this “fun”.

Is it? Or do you just believe it is?

If you question the premises enough, you’ll die.


Jackson, as I think you well know, I was asking whether your statement that “billions will die [because of Monsanto” has any proof and/or evidence behind it.

Yes, quite. I always thought that UNIVERSAL LANGUAGE thing was a bunch of BS anyway…

Wow, Auto, you retreat preatty quick when you see more than one opponent at a time. I like it.

Yes, by definition that is the difference between “knowledge” and “belief”.

[quoteuser=“Autolykos”]
If you question the premises enough, you’ll die.
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LOL, you know I just posted a link to Absurdism in our other combat thread (to the viewer at home: Autolykos is butt-hurt about a thread I started, so has now begun stalking me acrss the forums, looking for ways to exact his revenge).

But no, that isn’t true. There’s no point to playing games, but we do it anyways. There’s no point to living, but you can do it anyways.

[quoteuser=“Autolykos”]
Jackson, as I think you well know, I was asking whether your statement that “billions will die [because of Monsanto” has any proof and/or evidence behind it.
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Well, that isn’t what you said, now is it? Whay didn’t you just come out and say it? Sounds a bit dishonest to me. Or maybe you just didn’t realize that’s what you wanted to say? You were being vague out of either ignorance or malice.

Of course I’M the bad guy because I “well knew” what he meant. What’s good for the goose ain’t good for the gander, eh Autolykos, LOL!

Proof or evidence? I’d like to give some examples, but I’m sure you would just cross them off and accuse me of being vague. Sorry, try again.