Important: Member Issues Forum and Related New Policy (Cross-posted from main forum)

Olovetto, just so you know I did not delete the content your post quoted below. Did you?

E.R. OLOVETTO WROTE: " You are vacuous and crotchety, beyond my comment of “embodying the term snarky”.. Can you address the issues I was really talking about or is all you can do peer down upon us plebs and “turn the other cheek”? Oh hey, some other terms are coming to mind like “distant and disinterested politician”, “faux libertarian”, and “terrorists win.”

There is nothing I could say to get you to acknowledge your errors, right?"

Well, just in case it wasn’t you, I’ve restored it.

I deleted it because it is obviously uncivil, although I meant what I said. I don’t see how you can expect people to not get pissed off when you ignore their points and instead focus on their “uncivil tone”.

You did this in some other thread too, ignoring some incredibly easy suggested improvements to the forum, something not even really debatable that any good moderating staff would do like make a sticky about the quote workaround, or rules, or a collection of topics so there isn’t a new one every week on nukes.

Compare what you chastise me for as uncivil to what we get from bloom, who can’t even mount any sort of logical argument. There is more to moderation than just deleting curse words. bloom has stated publicly before that at that time all he cared about was making stupid responses and pissing people off, and he was just wasting time until the store opened so he could go buy some video game.

Also, where is my MVP tag? It should have been taken off 5 weeks ago, except you guys neglected the monthly awards. I don’t really care if I have it, or never get it again, but you selectively removed mine and left everyone else’s, and for what? You’ve yet to explain how the image I posted was not an entirely appropriate response to bloom’s hypocrisy.

I have a limited amount of time, and I am not beholden to responding to every single one of your many, many complaints. If you give me more incivility to deal with, I have less time (and desire) to respond to your points. Again, allegedly faulty argumentation is not going to be an object of mod action here. It reflects poorly on the forum to have "MVP"s posting such images as the one you posted. The image you posted associated an entire religion/culture/familial tradition with Nazism. It has no place here.

ERO: “The problem comes about when it is a pattern of behavior and absolutely nothing is done about it. There would be a lot less flamefests if you also delete posts like Rettopper’s in the Hiroshima thread where he has several blocks of 4-6 posts in a row and repeatedly calls anarchists “faith based jihadists”. I don’t see how you expect people to report stuff like this when nothing gets done about it.”

ERO, report posts like his using the report function (it should work, unlike the quote function :D). Thanks.

“Marko, I am simply not going to let topics like this distract on the front page from discussions about economics, political theory, history, and philosophy anymore.”

What avenue do we have open to make suggestions regarding moderating policy?

You will not permit them on the front page. Where will you permit them?

You can make them here. That doesn’t mean we have to do as you say.

This isn’t a real avenue. Its creation was announced in a post describing it as the place for “moaning and groaning” and “drama”.

This is as if a government proclaimed that if citizens wish to communicate to it that the media they should use was scheisse porno.

By insisting the place for member’s views/suggestions/initiatives is a whining group you reveal what you think of such efforts.

I only think of the incessant complaints of certain users, who seem to have developed an excessive sense of entitlement with regard to these forums, and who have made the front page chock full of drama, as “moaning and groaning”. But I can’t make a policy that only applies to them. At the same time I won’t let them dominate the front page with drama anymore. So here we are.

Then it would be good if the post with which this group was opened made it clear this group is meant for legitimate posts as well.

The only suggestion that I can think of at the moment is to extend certain rules of conduct to the titles as well. I recently reacted to one poorly titled thread and, consequently, had part of my response labeled as an “ad-hominem .” In hindsight, I should have worded my response better and therefore apologize. But I still don’t see how my post could have been more offensive than the discussion’s title. I don’t mean to suggest that the disciplinary action was partial. After all, two subsequent posts were also altered, and those could have been directed toward my post. Still, the title idea might be something to consider. At any rate, I just needed to vent here, as this is the most appropriate avenue available.

Marko, I think that’s implied in the fact that a sub-forum would never be created for “illegitimate” posts.

Hi econ student,
That topic was really really old. It would be far too much work to go through every old thread and make sure it complies with the new policy. There’s only time to apply the policy to new posts.

Thank you for the quick response (I slightly edited the post above during your reply). Yes, I suspected that the thread in question had opened prior to the new rules. I don’t think that anyone could expect you to go through all the old posts and correct them. That would be, as you stated, far too much work. It’s still discouraging to see them, though. That’s why I reacted.

So lilburne, you deserve an excoriating response for your incoherent BS, but my one “hugely racist” comment ever has prevented you from doing anything to fix these forums.

Since us plebs don’t know what goes on behind the scenes here, could you please clarify what one thing, if anything, you have ever done to improve the state of the forums?