Is Civilization Evil?

Wiktionary on Capitalism:

You need capital for capitalism. Capital is something you hate. Therefore, you hate capitalism.

Wiktionary on Capitalism:

You need capital for capitalism. Capital is something you hate. Therefore, you hate capitalism.

Yuck, I hate posts pending moderation. F4M, you will see my post eventually. Capitalism requires capital. Look it up in a dictionary. It is not just markets.

And BTW I read those Rothbard writings your linking to a long time ago when I was considering rejecting civilization. Here’s what you need to understand: civilization is NOT sustainable. It WILL collapse. I don’t need “scientific studies” to prove this. Everything I know indicates this is true.

Rothbard doesn’t even define primitivism properly. Primitivism is rejecting civ. Capitalism and markets are an innate characteristic of all human groups that is not dependent upon civ. This failure to properly define civ, primitivism and capitalism alone is grounds for dismissal of your silly assumptions about primitivism and capitalism.

Capitalism requires capital.

I carve a branch into a spear. That’s capital.

It’s a capital good. To have capital per se, you need a general medium of exchange (money).

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What makes you think money needs civilization to exist?

Probably because an indirect medium of exchange requires “[a]n organized culture encompassing many communities, often on the scale of a nation or a people; a stage or system of social, political or technical development.”

Let me ask you this: do you think hunter-gatherers have “civilization” according to your def?

If it fits the definition, then yes…

So your saying civilization has always existed?

I did not say that. I said if it fits the definition, then a hunter-gatherer society could be a civilization. Obviously, if you run around in the woods by yourself, or perhaps even with a woman (zing!), then no, that would not constitute a civilization.

You need to read this and maybe then you’ll change your mind about what a great thing civilization is. There’s unquestionable evidence that ag was the worst thing to happen to humans.

Fixed it for you.

Fixed it for you.

Who cares? Ag is not sustainable, creates overpopulation, creates statism and will collapse sooner then later. All the worlds land will be farmed-out within the next 50 years and I’m expecting massive wars over resources to feed populations. Anyone with a brain would see the benefit in homesteading virgin lands and taking up a hunter-gatherer lifestyle.

Also, I’m going to stack up on gold and silver in case I need to go back into civ every once and a while to trade.

Unfortunately I’ve already been on that merry-go-round…

Unfortunately I’ve already been on that merry-go-round…

Again, you don’t need a civilization to have a market. Markets exist inherently.

What the hell does that have to do with your oxymoronic label for yourself?

i’m not quite getting how you’d escape these massive wars. Besides that it seems to me like the complaint about overpopulation is kinda silly- if there’s less people around because there’s no agriculture, why is that a good thing? I don’t think hunter-gatherer lifestyles are sustainable. Get a cut, get an infection, and find that the plants around you are not good enough as compared to an antibiotic and goodbye