Judicial System

How should a judicial system be structured?

I started thinking about this a couple days ago. I mean, hands down the United States judicial system is messed up. I was studying it in US gov. class in some depth & nothing was really said about it, but it obviously needs to be structurally fix it. Anyways, I was wondering if there’s been any real research done on it. I was also wondering, say you created the judicial system again, how would you create it? What sort of courts would you include? & How would you keep the courts from getting out of hand w/ corrupt judges etc.? Especially w/ stuff like declaring laws unconstitional & stuff just randomly. You can’t control people’s opinions, so how would you keep it in check?

I mean, I guess my real question is how should a judicial system be structured so that it doesn’t turn into a power war/elite ruling nine/etc.? Is it even possible?

George H. Smith’s Justice Entrepreneurship in a Free Market has a lot of good info.

I’ll give the obligatory anarcho-capitalist response: privatize it all. If the judges are shit, they get fired. If it’s the courts that are shit, customers go elsewhere. And, if you’re of the David Friedman-school of anarcho-capitalist thought, if the laws themselves are the problem; sign up to a different set of laws.

Read through Chapter 12 of Murray Rothbard’s For a New Liberty, and you will see some ideas about how a free market judicial system would structure itself:

The description there is completely workable, and far better than what we have today.

  1. Can you explain this to me?

Who writes and enforces laws in AnCap society? I assume (I have no idea) that laws can only apply to people who agree to them, or else it would qualify as coersion. A big no-no as I can tell. I assum that all AnCap society will be broken up into like minded communities and that they would vote for laws. So..

If the vote comes out to 100-1 does the law take affect? Does the dissenter have to move away? Or do individuals make their own laws? I am just brainstorming, but am VERY curious how laws are derived and enforced. Thank you in advance.

  1. If there are more criminals then honest people, or more people who want crooked judges than fair (apply the laws equally without prejudice)… er What happens if they don’t get fired? In AnCap philosophy is this considered? I think a good analogy is racism. Where racist judges would be preferred. Being that an inordinante amount of racists are drawn to AnCap philosophy for obvious reasons ( I do not hold this againts AnCap society or think it qualifies as any kind of evidence or proof or argument against AnCap phil.) what happens? Minorities are expected to not live in areas dominated by Aryans? Or is there some argument that racism magically goes away in AnCap society. (“Due to our education advancements and blah blah”)

Ixtellor

David Friedman’s anarcho-capitalism is a bit different to what (I suspect – I’m new) is oft described around here. I’ll give explaining his a go, and give you a link for more reading at the end. In this post all uses of anarcho-capitalism (AC) etc. are used with Friedman’s (DF’s) theories in mind; not Rothbard’s, or whomever.

Your first question. Law in an anarcho-capitalist society would be polycentric law; meaning, different sets of laws can (and are likely to) exist within the same jurisdiction. An admittedly imperfect example of this in today’s US could be that the potential for a murderer to be eligible for capital punishment depends on the location of the crime. Another example can be seen in India, where the legislated family law an individual adheres to depends on whether they are Hindu, Muslim, or Christian. The major difference from these examples and anarcho-capitalist polycentric law would be that instead of having the scope of laws defined geographically or demographically, they are instead defined by individual choice.

In the absence of a state constitution, it would be up to the courts to ‘set’ their own laws. Private protection agencies would sign up to courts in advance, choosing the court with the set of laws that would most appeal to their potential clients. The individual, in deciding which protection agency to purchase the services of, is thus given a choice in the laws they would like to live under.

Conflicts that occur between individuals under the same laws are pretty self-explanatory, so I’ll focus on the problem of what to do in the case of conflicts between customers of different agencies. The polycentric law system is kept stable through agreements (made in advance of any disputes) between protection agencies that have a reasonable chance of coming into contact with each other. If the agencies use different courts, these agreements would involve negotiating a framework for how to deal with their differences in laws. DF’s example for this is for two neighbours who have opposite views on capital punishment, who are signed up to two different agencies: one that is pro-capital punishment for murder, one anti-. If it means more (in terms of keeping/attracting customers) to the pro- agency, they will be willing to make some concessions to the anti- agency in order to get what they want. The pro- agency has to jack up their prices to cover the costs of the concessions they made, while the anti- agency can use the proceeds of the agreement to lower their prices (at the cost of having to comprimise on capital punishment).

All of these agreements are made in advance of any conflicts, so the customers know what they are getting into before they sign up. Customers of the aforementioned anti- agency know that they will find themselves ‘eligible’ for capital punishment if they murder anyone from the pro- agency. If they find that thought appalling, they can take their custom elsewhere: perhaps to another more expensive anti- agency that did not compromise on capital punishment.

As alluded to in my previous post, the competition between the courts will create a drive towards better methods and more efficient laws; presumably similar to the seemingly successful innovations we’ve seen with private dispute resolution (as opposed to the state’s courts) for non-criminal disputes.

Man this post exploded into an essay in no time. I’ll stop it there for the ‘how would it work’ stuff, direct you to the link at the bottom of the post, and offer to have a go at answering any further questions on this part you’ve got.

Your 2nd question(s). I don’t think any society can be expected to deal well with a population of more criminals than honest people – especially a democracy!

Likewise, any method of organising a society is going to have trouble with a community that are racist enough to be willing to pay (more) to create the demand for a court to create (and for protection agencies to enforce) laws that intrude on or deny a minority’s rights. Your example is assuming something well beyond your typical xenophobic racism. Under a democracy, if the racist community is that racist, rich, and powerful, the outlook for the minority isn’t too great in terms of seeing anti-minority laws come into affect in the neighbourhood either. At least under anarcho-capitalism, if moving was out of the question, there is a chance that the minorities could just pay through the teeth for a better protection agency…

The racist judges hypothetical gets the same treatment. Minorities in Africa in particular are facing that exact problem under both democracies and dictatorships, and I’m sure you can think of plenty of other examples of similar minority-oppression elsewhere. You have to remember that any government is made from the people; if you’re going to try to think how an AC society will cope with a demonised population, first think that only the most power-hungry of those demons will be filling the seats in any formation of a government. Anarcho-capitalism isn’t out to change human nature. It’s not claiming to be a utopia; the claim is that it will be better than any current alternative.

Here’s David Friedman’s explanation of laws, courts and protection agencies in his ‘Machinery of Freedom’. If you find my description unsatisfactory, he is far more likely to strike the right note than I. :slight_smile:

good post!, and only your 4th one. pleased to meet you

Who writes laws? Laws are immutable. They are not something which can or should be created; they are simply something which exist and may be discovered.

For more information, get ahold of Whatever Happened to Justice? by Richard Maybury, and view [url=http://

Who enforces laws? People who want to see laws enforced should bear the cost of enforcing them. For example, shoplifting from you is against the law, as it violates your right to property. If you care, you should bear the cost of apprehending the criminal, building a case against the criminal, prosecuting the criminal. If you win your case, the criminal should pay the enforcement costs you incurred. But shoplifting might be a minor enough issue for you and the odds of winning your case might be low enough and the cost (including time cost) involved might be high enough that you choose not to invest in enforcing this law. (You might instead choose to install new security systems or something. Or nothing.)

If we subsidize (socialize!) the cost of enforcing the law, then your cost-benefits analysis in the above scenario is different, and you are more likely to make the economic mistake of overenforcing the law, spending more resources than it is really worth to prosecute the small amount of shoplifting. Socialism always causes misallocation of resources; even in justice and law enforcement!

I own myself. You may not violate my right to life, liberty, or property. This law applies to you no matter what. It’s not coercion for me to enforce this law against you, as it does not create any positive obligation in you toward me. In fact, it’s the other way around: you violating this law is coercion, whether you’ve agreed to it or not.

You didn’t read the book chapter I linked to, did you?? It answers that question! Please go read.

I’m not sure what you’re saying here, but it sounds vaguely insulting, to me.

I expecting law-abiding people to not want to live in areas dominated by criminals. That seems obvious to me. Those law-abiding minorities would be very welcome as my neighbors!

In an anarcho-capitalist (i.e., law-abiding) society, power is greatly diminished and even eliminated. People have little to no power over their neighbors. And thus, racists have far less chance to abuse their neighbors than they do in this system.

Again, go read chapter 12 in For a New Liberty for a great explanation of how using the free market to supply justice and law enforcement services (instead of socialism as it is today) will greatly increase the quality and supply of justice and law enforcement for everybody, particularly minorities.

Go read! :slight_smile:

Thanks, and likewise. :slight_smile:

Thanks. I haven’t read it all yet, but it makes a lot of sense. Anyhow, I think I’ve just changed from being a minarchist to an anarchist. [:P] (always try to go for the best ideas)

That is totally awesome to hear! I was already anarchist when I hit that chapter (have been for years; just listened to that book on audio a few months ago), but it sounded very convincing to me, and filled in a lot of gaps in my knowledge. :slight_smile:

I always said you knew you had completely gone over the edge when you wanted the government to provide no services at all, not even defense, justice, and law enforcement. Welcome to the real world. :slight_smile:

This article influenced me a lot, too, although I was already over the edge at that point:

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