Kokesh plans loaded open carry rally in DC, where it's illegal

[John_James]

@Wheylous

Reason 1: We appear to be rabid individualist survivalists
Reason 2: We appear to be classless rednecks
Reason 3: We appear to want violence over peace and discourse
Reason 4: It would be really easy to delegitimize the movement if the government or opposition just snuck in ONE person to cause trouble
Reason 5: Even if the govt and opponents are blameless, a criminal could take advantage of this.

@HabbaBabba

We, we, we, we. I stumbled into the Zeitgeist forum again, dammit.

Guy’s got a point.

@Neodoxy

He is hurting himself and every other libertarian by doing what he is doing, and for that he is both immature, stupid, and not a “solution”. I’m not sure if you understand what is going on or if you’re just trying to show off how amazingly individualistic you are

@SkepticalMetal

Been on the Ron Paul Forums for the past hour debating people who are actually excited for this, thinking of it as a way for DC politicians to think twice about what they are doing and implement “reforms.” The notion that this would actually accomplish anything of lasting value is so absurd that it ought to be straight from the mind of Salvador Dali. Whatever there is to gain from this, it’s microscopic.

Since when is virtually any one demonstration supposed to be a “solution” that “accomplishes something of lasting value”? Is that the standard now? Everything anyone does in the name of liberty/anti-statism has to be a “solution” in and of itself, and accomplish something of “lasting value”?

What nonsense. The whole point of any demonstration is just that: demonstrate something. Demonstrate how many people agree with a certain point. Demonstrate that you aren’t afraid. Demonstrate that you won’t be quiet like some subservient sheep. Demonstrate to your would-be oppressor, as well as to those who are afraid, and who would otherwise not know people like you who are willing to stand up for what’s right, exist. (Just ask Autolykos.)

This is not supposed to somehow magically dismantle government, or wake up the world to the idiocy of statism. (If that’s what “true” acts in the name of liberty are supposed to do, then by god share the panacea that is the link to your YouTube channel.)

The point here is to simply flex the right to bear arms. Rights not exercised tend to atrophy and disappear. The point here is to see how many people would agree to risk a little exposure to really stick it to The Man in his own front yard. Either you find out 10,000 people are willing to literally march on Washington with guns on their backs, in direct defiance of legal statute, and you risk possibly being picked out of a crowd and processed…or you find out less than 10k are willing to do that, and you don’t go.

I find it hilarious how an act of mass civil disobedience in the face of an unconstitutional mandate (in the nation’s capital, no less) is seen as a poor reflection of those who advocate liberty…

And yet somehow everyone else who marched in the name of various freedoms (in that very area) in decades past is somehow a role model. I guess “times have changed”. You don’t fight the man by literally standing up to him any more. No no. This is the 21st century. Freedom is guarded in basements and living rooms. Rights are defended on the Internet.

I bet even Curran himself didn’t realize that when he said “eternal vigilance is the price of liberty”, he was talking about watching YouTube videos.