Hey guys. This doesn’t have much to do with Austrian economics or libertarian ideas, but I know most people on here have a very in-depth sense of history. I’ve been researching the conspiracy theory that LBJ had JFK killed with the help of FBI Director Hoover and other things of that sort. So far I only have a few resources, and I was wondering if anyone had any legitimate websites for me to look at such as this one.
Ive been wanting to read rothbard’s take on it, but I can’t find any articles?
Start here. I’m sure one of your local libraries will have a copy if you don’t want to buy it.
Clayton -
The only one I’ve been able find written by Rothard is this one, but it doesn’t really go into much detail at all.
http://books.google.com/books?id=03yEIQr1C0wC
Real eye opener. All laid out and explained clearly. None of this “Bullet came out at angle X from direction Y” stuff, but “Yeah, we did it. I ordered the whole thing. LBJ and Nixon both were informed.”
With very convincing motivation and explanation.
God help America, is all I can say.
Awesome. That looks fascinating. I’ll make sure to put it on my to-read list. Thanks.
Lew Rockwell just intervied a guy who wrote a book on the bush family - evidently GHW Bush was in Dallas on the day of the murder - while in CIA - he suspects that Johnson did not “order” the murder, but was informed about it.. one of the latest podcasts on lewrockwell pretty interesting
I’ve been meaning to ask you this. On an earlier post you commented:
What did you mean by JFK, Jr. got assassinated? Didn’t he die in a plane crash?
I’ll be sure to check that out later. Is it on the website somewhere or on iTunes?
People have been known to write books claiming to have done things they did not. You can’t take this at face value without salt.
@Brian: Damn you! I’ve wasted my whole weekend watching JFK assassination videos!! 
Here’s some of my comments:
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Most of the debate seems to rage around trying to get evidence or proof that JFK’s assassination was a conspiracy. This is silly because it grants - from the outset - the bizarre assumption made by the official theories that political figures are as likely to die at the hands of “mad attention-seekers” as they are to be assassinated by their enemies who actually stand to benefit. How many people are insane enough to think that the electric chair is a fair trade for “being remembered” by history, even if in infamy? And of those people how many are resourceful enough to pierce the security perimeter of the President of the United States? Kennedy was threatened by Richard Pavlick in 1960 after Nixon lost the election and, by all accounts, Pavlick was a lone nut. But all we know of his “assassination attempts” are his own tall tales and 10 sticks of dynamite.
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Of course Kennedy was assassinated by his enemies. Barring extraordinary, overwhelming evidence of a crazed, lone gunman, the “assassinated by his political enemies” theory has the advantage of fitting with 99.99% of all other recorded murders of powerful men throughout history. It’s like if a top Mafia boss got shot and the police said it was a “stranger homicide”. It’s possible, but extremely unlikely. And, of course, this leaves aside the possibility of foreign attack instead of internal coup d’etat. Either way, “crazed, lone gunman seeking attention and to be remembered (in infamy) by history” is by far the least plausible explanation*.
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It is doubtful that LBJ was the mastermind of Kennedy’s death. Given a conspiracy, we can reason that he almost certainly had foreknowledge and was likely involved to one degree or another (since he stood to benefit the most publicly), but we know that, long before Obama, US Presidents have not been much more than puppet figureheads for the real, unseen political powers. Assuming LBJ was able to orchestrate, on his own, the necessary measures to take out Kennedy, those “in the know” would have a pretty good inkling of who was finally responsible for the President’s death and, being outsiders now, would have a huge incentive to go after Johnson and get him impeached. Instead, the opposite happened, every government person and agency involved in the case and “in the know” covered up evidence, altered evidence, silenced or ignored witnesses and turned a blind eye while dozens of witnesses important to solving the murder were systematically eliminated.
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JFK has more confessed assassins than Mel Gibson has racist slurs. The attention-seekers are those claiming to be JFK’s assassin(s) - a much less risky venture than actually assassinating a sitting US President. As a matter of our social and political history and future, however, the identity of the trigger-man (or men) is relatively unimportant. The important point is trying to identify the mastermind(s), that is, the power center or alliance of power centers which moved to have JFK killed.
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A popular hypothesis is that JFK was murdered because he or the Kennedys generally had “gone rogue”, that is, he or they were acting in the true interests of the American public and against the interests of the Establishment. This hypothesis (with the slight modification that Kennedy was acting in the Kennedy-family’s interests, not the interests of the US public except where the two happened to coincide) carries some weight in my opinion for two reasons. First, the cover-up was across the board, no one tried to make hay out of JFK’s death by suggesting political funny business. Second, the long string of assassinations and attempted assassinations of Kennedys. The Kennedys must have made very powerful enemies but failed to sufficiently protect themselves, either on their own cognizance or by aligning with a more powerful interest than themselves. Or, perhaps JFK ruined the whole Kennedy family by betraying his sponsors once he got into office. If so, the Kennedy family would have been forever a pariah to the Establishment… something along the lines of “you can’t trust a Kennedy.”
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Kennedy did several things in office, the combination of which probably united otherwise antagonistic power centers around one goal - eliminating Kennedy. “The enemy of my enemy is my friend.” While I don’t think EO 11110 was really that important from the point-of-view of the Fed, it was the opposite of the direction the Fed wanted to go (which direction Nixon finally went in 1971). So, the Fed and its allies (Bank of England, Bundesbank, Bank of International Settlements, and so on) would have not been sad to see Kennedy go. They might have even pitched in some black funding or something (when you can legally print money, this is quite easy to do). He had enemies in the Mafia but I think it is a big mistake to think the Mafia could have taken out the President. If you subscribe to the gang theory of government**, it just doesn’t make sense. It’s like saying some small-time crack dealers could unite and take out a Mafia boss. Just not possible, they’re outgunned, outsmarted, out-organized, out-everything. CIA may have been the ops guys and they may have sub-contracted out to Mafia assassins who were the most experienced in covert assassinations in broad daylight in American cities but that would be as far as it goes.
JFK had threatened to dismantle CIA and it’s clear that, after the Bay of Pigs, there was real bad blood between the Executive and CIA. People say, “The CIA killed Kennedy” and while this may be true, I doubt very much that CIA masterminded JFK’s death, that is, I doubt CIA was the power-center “finally responsible” for JFK’s death. CIA and the FBI have tons and tons of bad blood but the FBI was in charge of the investigation. Surely, the FBI would have taken the opportunity to knock CIA down a few pegs on the power ladder and surely CIA would have been aware that the FBI would do this, from the outset. Assuming CIA involvement, someone, somewhere had to have been able to get CIA and the FBI to play nice.
But I think the biggest single motive is located in the Pentagon. Again, I’m skeptical that the Pentagon were the “masterminds” of the JFK assassination but I think they may have been the real motivational powerhouse. Here’s a quote from Wikipedia’s article on LBJ:
"At Kennedy’s death, there were 16,000 American military advisors in Vietnam. As President, Lyndon Johnson immediately reversed his predecessor’s order to withdraw 1,000 military personnel by the end of 1963 with his own NSAM #273 on November 26, 1963. Johnson expanded the numbers and roles of the American military following the Gulf of Tonkin Incident (less than three weeks after the Republican Convention of 1964, which had nominated Barry Goldwater for President).
The Gulf of Tonkin Resolution, which gave the President the exclusive right to use military force without consulting the Senate, was based on a false pretext, as Johnson later admitted.[60] It was Johnson who began America’s direct involvement in the ground war in Vietnam. By 1968, over 550,000 American soldiers were inside Vietnam; in 1967 and 1968 they were being killed at the rate of over 1,000 a month."
So, we have in this order:
- 16,000 US servicemen in Vietnam as “advisors”
- On Oct. 11, Kennedy orders 1,000 soldiers withdrawn from Vietnam by the end of 1963 in NSAM 263
- On Nov. 22, JFK shot
- 4 days later, JFK’s order to withdraw 1,000 men from Vietnam reversed by LBJ in NSAM 273
- Aug. 1964, Gulf of Tonkin incident (false flag/fabricated incident)
- Deployments to Vietnam go through the stratosphere, reaching 550,000+ men in less than 5 years, see this PDF (page 9) for a chart showing the “hockey stick” from 1963 onward in troop levels in Vietnam
While the Pentagon is the operational arm of the Military Industrial Complex, the power center that killed JFK had to have its locus outside formal government while having significant control of and access to formal government. We understand the confluence of interests between central bankers and the war machine for generating profits through the expansion of the money supply and funding of the war machine, so JFK’s murder is likely a confluence of several, very powerful interests who had independently decided “enough is enough, Kennedy has become a nuisance and has got to go” and decided to work together for the time being to eliminate him.
- Kennedy’s assassination was obviously supposed to be very public but in a controlled way. After all, if they just wanted him dead, they could have shot down Air Force One on a cloudy day and declared it an accident. But he was shot in broad daylight, surrounded by cameras though not professional news cameras. All the film from these cameras was immediately seized and effectively locked up for almost a decade before the first pictures started to trickle out, damaged and likely altered. My theory on this is that there was a script for how the assassination was supposed to go and something went wrong. Oswald was supposed to be the patsy while some real professionals took Kennedy out in a way that would be consistent with Kennedy being shot by Oswald who would then be painted a “lone nut assassin” while the amateur photos could be splashed across televisions and the front-pages of newspapers to decry the “new extremism” that had taken over US politics. Governor Connally’s first statement on camera includes this little memorized diatribe about extremism in American politics and how it is transforming things, and so on. This was clearly scripted. But something went wrong and the video evidence was too inconsistent with the official theory of Oswald-the-crazed-assassin which had been immediately put out to the public on the very day of the assassination and then sent with Oswald to his grave two days later.
There were no commercial media cameras trained on Kennedy at the time because that part of his route was considered unimportant by the media. One question I’ve always had is why were there so few people on each side of the assassination bottleneck? I mean, there’s this huge, thronging crowd just a hundred feet away, and then a few stragglers. The crowd was being held back by policemen, obviously, so why were those few people permitted through? Zapruder, Nix, Babushka Lady, Tina Towner, Moorman and the guy filming Kennedy from the curbside visible in the Zapruder frames 343-358 (does anyone know who this is???! his film would be 100x better quality than Zapruder’s, he was standing right on the curb!), among others. Hell, it seems that roughly 50% of Dallas residents must have had amateur cameras if the people on either side of the assassination bottleneck are a representative sample of Dallas residents circa 1963. All these folks claim to have had no knowledge of anything but then they sure are some cool customers, calmly documenting the historic, defining moment of the US government while all hell is breaking loose with gunshots and cars and motorcycles speeding off, sirens wailing, people yelling, etc.
- The Rybka video shows the Secret Service bodyguard detail being called off the rear bumper of the Presidential limousine while back at the airport, 7 miles from Dealey plaza. Just an interesting little detail.
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*Can anyone say, “19 crazed, suicidal ‘religious extremists’ seeking to get 72 virgins in heaven by committing mass suicide/homicide…”
**Basically, that the government is the most powerful gang of all and the President the biggest, most powerful Don of all
Yes, I do believe that Lyndon Johnson made a dirty deal with CIA Republicans to murder John Kennedy. They did it for many reasons both person and ideological.
BOOK AUTHOR YEAR PUBLISHER
1 Texas in the Morning: The Love Story of Madeleine Brown and President Lyndon Baines Johnson Madeleine Brown 1997 Conservatory Press
2 Blood, Money & Power: How L.B.J Killed J.F.K. Barr McClellan 2004 Hannover House
3 Billie Sol Estes a Texas Legend Billie Sol Estes 2004 BS Productions
4 LBJ: The Mastermind of JFK’s Assassination Phillip F. Nelson 2010 Xlibris
5 Defrauding America: Encyclopedia of Secret Operations by the CIA, DEA and Other Covert Agencies Rodney Stich 2001 Diablo Western Press
6 The Dark Side of Lyndon Baines Johnson Joachim Joesten 1968 Peter Dawnay
7 How Kennedy was Killed: The Full Appalling Story Joachim Joesten 1968 Tandem-Dawnay
8 The Men on the Sixth Floor Glen Sample & Mark Collum 2008 Sample Graphics
9 A Texan Looks at Lyndon: A Study in Illegitimate Power J. Evetts Haley 1964 Palo Duro Press
10 The Texas Connection Craig Zirbel 1991 Warner Books
11 The Men Who Killed Kennedy - the Guilty Men DVD Nigel Turner 2002 A & E Home Studio
12 Me & Lee: How I Came to Know, Love and Lose Lee Harvey Oswald Judyth Vary Baker & Edward Haslam 2010 Trine Day
13 Family of Secrets: The Bush Dynasty, the Powerful Forces That Put It in the White House, and What Their Influence Means for America Russ Baker 2008 Bloomsbury Press
14 The Immaculate Deception: The Bush Crime Family Exposed Russell S. Bowen 1991 America West Publishers
15 Barry & ‘the Boys’: The CIA, the Mob and America’s Secret History Daniel Hopsicker 2006 Trine Day
16 JFK and the Unspeakable: Why He Died and Why It Matters James Douglass 2008 Orbis Books
17 First Hand Knowledge: How I Participated in the CIA-Mafia Murder of President Kennedy Robert D. Morrow 1992 SPI Books
18 To Kill a President: Finally an Ex-FBI Agent rips aside the Veil of Secrecy that killed JFK M. Wesley Smearingen 2008 BookSurge Publishing
19 JFK - Director’s Cut - 2 Disc Special Edition (1991) Oliver Stone 2003 Warner Home Video
20 The Murder of JFK: A Revisionist History (2006) Matthew White 2006 Mpi Home Video
21 Oswald and the CIA John Newman 1995 Carroll & Graf
22 Bloody Treason: On Solving History’s Greatest Murder Mystery: The Assassination of John F. Kennedy Noel H. Twyman 1997 Laurel Pub
23 The Last Investigation Gaeton Fonzi 1993 The Mary Ferrell Foundation
24 Brothers: The Hidden History of the Kennedy Years David Talbot 2008 Free Press
25 Plausible Denial: Was the CIA Involved in the Assassination of JFK Mark Lane 1992 Thunder’s Mouth Press
26 The Man Who Knew Too Much: Hired to Kill Oswald and Prevent the Assassination of JFK Dick Russell 1992 Carroll & Graf
27 Someone Would Have Talked Larry Hancock 2006 JFK Lancer Productions and @ Publications
28 History Will Not Absolve Us: Orwellian Control, Public Denial, & the Murder of President Kennedy Martin Schotz 1996 Kurtz, Ulmer & Delucia
29 Farewell America: The Plot to Kill JFK James Hepburn and William Turner 1968 Penmarin Books
30 Conspiracy: Who Killed President Kennedy? Anthony Summers 1980 Fontana
31 Not in Your Lifetime Anthony Summers 1998 Marlowe & Co.
32 Crossfire: The Plot That Killed Kennedy Jim Marrs 1993 Basic Books
33 Spy Saga: Lee Harvey Oswald and U.S. Intelligence Philip H. Melanson 1990 Praeger Publishers
34 The Secret Team: The CIA and its Allies in Control of the United States and the World Fletcher Prouty 1974 Ballantine Books
35 The Radical Right and the Murder of John F. Kennedy: Stunning Evidence in the Assassination of the President Harrison Livingstone 2006 Trafford Publishing
36 Who Killed JFK? Carl Oglesby 2002 Odonian Press
37 JFK: The Cuba Files: The Untold Story of the Plot to Kill Kennedy (Secret War) Fabian Escalante 2006 Ocean Press
38 The Conspirators: Secrets of an Iran-Contra Insider Al Martin 2002 National Liberty Press
39 Lyndon B. Johnson: A Memoir George Reedy 1982 Andrews and McMeel
40 JFK Conspiracy of Silence Charles Crenshaw 1992 Penguin Books
41 Trauma Room One: The JFK Medical Coverup Exposed Charles Crenshaw 2001 Paraview Press
42 The Elite Serial Killers of Lincoln, JFK, RFK & MLK Robert Gaylon Ross, Sr. 2001 RIE
43 Flight from Dallas: New Evidence of CIA Involvement in the Murder of John F. Kennedy James Johnston and Jon Roe 2006 Trafford Publishing
44 JFK: The CIA, Vietnam and the Plot to Assassinate John F. Kennedy Fletcher Prouty 2003 Citadel
45 Our Man in Mexico: Winston Scott and the Hidden History of the CIA Jefferson Morley and Michael Scott 2008 University Press of Kansas
46 A Farewell to Justice: Jim Garrison, JFK’s Assassination, and the Case that Should have Changed History Joan Mellon 2007 Potomac Books
47 A Certain Arrogance: U.S. Intelligence’s Manipulation of Religious Groups and Individuals in Two World Wars and the Cold War – and the Sacrificing of Lee Harvey Oswald George Michael Evica 2006 Xlibris Corporation
48 The Grassy Knoll Witnesses: Who Shot JFK? Harry A. Yardum 2009 AuthorHouse
49 Nightmare in Dallas: The Babushka Lady Beverly Oliver 1994 Starburst Publishers
50 Destiny Betrayed: JFK, Cuba, and the Garrison Case James DiEugenio 1992 Sheridan Square Press
Hey folks, I am a JFK assassination researcher based in Austin, TX. If you want me to send you my “LBJ and CIA killed JFK” file, just email me at Morrow321@aol.com. I also welcome phone calls at 512-306-1510 from 11AM to 11PM Central time. Here is a good web site to read up on JFK:
http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showforum=126
Also, on Facebook a really good page to join is The Grassy Knoll witnesses by Rusty Yardum. Have fun!
I do think there is a lot of truth in what former CIA Pegasus agent Trenton Parker told Rodney Stich in 1993. Many former CIA, DEA, FBI and intelligence agents go to Rodney Stich when the operation goes bad and THEY become the targets. I highly recommened his book The Defrauding of America. I do think the role of Nelson Rockefeller (longtime OSS and very deep CIA) and his personal friendship with Lyndon Johnson has been massively under-emphasized in the research/reporting on the JFK assassination. And Rocky was tight as well with Allen Dulles, the #1 con artist on the Warren Commission.
From Defrauding America, Rodney Stich, 3rd edition 1998 p. 638-639]:
“The Role of deep-cover CIA officer, Trenton Parker, has been described in earlier pages, and his function in the CIA’s counter-intelligence unit, Pegasus. Parker had stated to me earlier that a CIA faction was responsible for the murder of JFK … During an August 21, 1993, conversation, in response to my questions, Parker said that his Pegasus group had tape recordings of plans to assassinate Kennedy. I asked him, “What group were these tapes identifying?” Parker replied: “Rockefeller, Allen Dulles, JOHNSON of Texas, GEORGE BUSH, and J. Edgar Hoover.” I asked, “What was the nature of the conversation on these tapes?”
I don’t have the tapes now, because all the tape recordings were turned over to [Congressman] Larry McDonald. But I listened to the tape recordings and there were conversations between Rockefeller, [J. Edgar] Hoover, where [Nelson] Rockefeller asks, “Are we going to have any problems?” And he said, “No, we aren’t going to have any problems. I checked with Dulles. If they do their job we’ll do our job.” There are a whole bunch of tapes, because Hoover didn’t realize that his phone has been tapped. Defrauding America, Rodney Stich, p. 638-639]:
Nelson Rockefeller - Deep, deep CIA for a LONG time. Close working relationship with Allen Dulles. Like LBJ, obsessed with becoming president. Also, VERY close friends with Lyndon Johnson! Nelson Rockefeller was LBJ’s pick for president in 1968 - and he is a Republican! And he hates the Kennedys; he is also a hawk on Vietnam, big time imperialist, told JFK to use tactical nukes in Vietnam. Gets appointed by Ford - cover up artist who is both tight with FBI and who Newsweek called the CIA’s man in Congress in 1970. Most of Lyndon Johnson’s cabinet and “wise men” were CFR members, heavily influenced by Rockefellers. LBJ passed 25th Amendment, which Nelson wanted. A lot of Great Society legislation was Rockefeller inspired stuff. I think that the Lyndon Johnson/Nelson Rockefeller connection is EXTREMELY important. It represents the nexus of Texas oil/military contractors/hawks with the NY Establishment/Rockefeller/NY Times/CFR power center. The Texas big players unite with the New York big players and guess what - they both HATE the Kennedys!
Lyndon Johnson and the murdered John F. Kennedy
George Herbert Walker Bush was deeply involved, too
LBJ said it was “Texas oil and those fucking renegade intelligence bastards in Washington” [Texas in the Morning, Madeleine Brown, p.189]
from Robert Morrow political researcher Austin, TX 512-306-1510.
Email me at Morrow321@aol.com for my complete JFK file
Madeleine Duncan Brown was a mistress of Lyndon Johnson for 21 years and had a son with him named Steven Mark Brown in 1950. Madeleine mixed with the Texas elite and had many trysts with Lyndon Johnson over the years, including one at the Driskell Hotel in Austin, TX, on New Year’s Eve 12/31/63.
In the morning of January 1, 1964, just 6 weeks after the JFK assassination, Madeleine asked Lyndon Johnson:
“Lyndon, you know that a lot of people believe you had something to do with President Kennedy’s assassination.”
He shot up out of bed and began pacing and waving his arms screaming like a madman. I was scared!
“That’s bullshit, Madeleine Brown!” he yelled. “Don’t tell me you believe that crap!”
“Of course not.” I answered meekly, trying to cool his temper.
“It was Texas oil and those fucking renegade intelligence bastards in Washington.”[said Lyndon Johnson, the new president.] [Texasin the Morning, p. 189] [LBJ told this to Madeleine on 1/1/64 in the Driskell Hotel, Austin, TX in room #254. They spent New Year’s Eve ‘64 together here. Room #254 was the room that LBJ used to have rendevous’ with his girlfriends – today it is known as the LBJ Room, and rents for $600-1,000/night as a Presidential suite at the Driskell. Located on the Mezzanine Level.]
**What Lyndon Johnson did not tell his mistress was that Texas big oil and the had killed John Kennedy on behalf of Lyndon Johnson.**LBJ either organized the plot to kill JFK or he knew about it in advance and agreed to cover the murder up. LBJ in the fall of 1963 was like a cornered animal. He was about to be dropped from the presidential ticket in 1964 by JFK. Also, LBJ could very well have been indicted in the Bobby Baker scandal that was breaking at that time in fall, 1963.
I believe that Lyndon Johnson was at the heart and center of the murder of John F. Kennedy. LBJ had a lot of help, too, from the , the Mafia, Texas oil millionaires, anti-Casto Cubans and high officials in the military and government, including J. Edgar Hoover of the FBI who was LBJ’s next door neighbor in Washington, DC for 19 years as well as a close personal friend.
Here is an excellent article that summarizes the “LBJ did it” case:
http://www.viewzone.com/lbj/ The best JFK assassination web site to check out is www.jfkmurdersolved.com Also, check these 4 YouTube videos of The Men Who Killed Kennedy, the Guilty Men, banned from the History Channel because it got too close to the truth.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XJPWhn6P5fE&feature=channel_page
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http://religionandmorality.net/multimedia/UNDchapter/VideosJFK2.html (Here are ALL 9 episodes together in one place of The Men Who Killed Kennedy, including the 3 ones that were banned because they got very close to the truth.)