Leninists?

[E_R_Olovetto]

What would I have to do to get called a Leninist? How is what Lenin proposed, or more appropriately what he did, different than Marx, the average socialist/communist or whatever? I don’t waste much time researching theories that can be refuted in under a minute, so a concise answer would be great. [:P]

[Natalie]

Why would you want to be called so?

[Stranger]

Leninist refers to a political constitution more than an economic system. Lenin changed his mind on economic matters more than once.

[E_R_Olovetto]

I don’t want to and haven’t been =)

I was wondering why Carl Watner (voluntarist guy) called Rothbard one. It has something to do with his strategy. I could maybe dig out the link again and reread but I think what I was lacking was knowledge about Lenin.

@Stranger

Leninist refers to a political constitution more than an economic system. Lenin changed his mind on economic matters more than once.

Edit: hmm, I will think about this, thanks.

[Stranger]

This may be what he meant when he called Rothbard a leninist. It’s from The Ethics of Liberty.

Every new idea and every new discipline necessarily begins with one or a few people, and diffuses outward toward a larger core of converts and adherents. Even at full tide, given the wide variety of interests and abilities among men, there is bound to be only a minority among the professional core or cadre of libertarians. There is nothing sinister or “undemocratic,” then, in postulating a “vanguard” group of libertarians any more than there is in talking of a vanguard of Buddhists or of physicists. Hopefully this vanguard will help to bring about a majority or a large and influential minority of people adhering to (if not centrally devoted to) libertarian ideology.

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[yoshimura]

Stranger, could you elaborate please?

[nirgrahamUK]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vanguardism

[Arvin]

Leninists want to “seize the power”.

Listen from 38:00

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6015291679758430958

[yoshimura]

Thanks for the responses.

I read the whole wiki page on vanguardism and downloaded that video. Learned something new

As an aside, does Marxism use the NAP?

Marx:

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The Commune was formed of the municipal councilors, chosen by universal suffrage in the various wards of the town, responsible and revocable at short terms. The majority of its members were naturally workers, or acknowledged representatives of the working class. The Commune was to be a working, not a parliamentary body, executive and legislative at the same time.[2“](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dictatorship_of_the_proletariat#cite_note-1) … (from wiki) This social order with its emphasis on recallable delegates and maximal public participation in governance has many similarities to the modern conception of direct democracy.” So it’s a voluntary direct democracy?

[Laughing_Man]

@yoshimura

The Commune was formed of the municipal councilors, chosen by universal suffrage in the various wards of the town, responsible and revocable at short terms. The majority of its members were naturally workers, or acknowledged representatives of the working class. The Commune was to be a working, not a parliamentary body, executive and legislative at the same time.^{[2"](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dictatorship_of_the_proletariat#cite_note-1)}

… (from wiki)

This social order with its emphasis on recallable delegates and maximal public participation in governance has many similarities to the modern conception of direct democracy."

So it’s a voluntary direct democracy?

No in the sense that if you aren’t in total agreement with the proletariat masses then you cannot refuse to listen to what the majority ( the working class ) is dictating. This is what Marx meant by the dictatorship of the proletariat. It is a period where emergency powers are given to a group of individuals in order to carry out radical legislation that is complusory.

[yoshimura]

Man, I love this place

Thanks for the enlightenments!

[Wolves_of_Paris]

Leninism is a continuation of Marxism. Most contributors to Marxism are also contributors to Marxist-Leninism. There are branches of communists that oppose Leninism. Left Communists, Some Luxemburgists, anarchists, ect

V.I. Lenin Library: Works Index

A collection of Lenin’s works.