No, I said it is only possible in anarcho-capitalism which enables land owners to block people from entering the land. But Israel has 100% free travel everywhere and laws that enable everyone to buy a house in every city or town. Thousands of new hostiles living in your town is very scary.
Isn’t that the problem the palestinians are facing? That many hostile enemies are enroaching on THEIR territory- a good portion of whom are radical fundamentalists? I think the problem with this situation that you’re creating is that its way too narrow.
They might think the territory is theirs. I think it is not. This is irrelevant though. They will not be allowed in because that would cause a huge deterioriation of safety and standard of living for Jews, and possibly worse.
The settlements and bulldozing of palestinian homes and all kinds of blockades(not to mention real advanced rocketfire) have caused quite a bit of deterioration of safety and standard of living for palestinians(whether muslim or christian).
The palestinians are just using the same arguments you are. "Those israelies might think the territory is theirs, I think it is not. "
It doesn’t matter what they think. I definitely prefer rockets and suicide bombings from the few Palestinians who manage to sneak into Israel than rockets and suicide bombings from 6 million Palestinians who were let freely into Israel
If it doesn’t matter what they think- then it should follow that it doesn’t matter what you think either. 6 million palestinians would not begin strapping on suicide bombs when they come into Israel
And as auctionguy said, they have the same rationale. What you prefer isn’t any better than what they prefer. It is just that your side can use more force. And when a society uses force to solve conflicts, it is a race to the bottom. Ultimately the Palestinians will win I think because Israel is going to collapse from trying to maintain a conflict with overwhelming force.
So they get what they want: the freedom to live on the land that they believe is theirs. Why, then, would they want to blow themselves up?
There is no great short-term solution. But I don’t see how killing even more Palestinians - especially in the wanton manner you’re suggesting - is a practical long-term solution. Short of complete genocide, you’ll just anger and radicalize more Palestinians, who will believe their only solution is the complete annihilation of Israeli Jews. (of course, annihilating all Palestinians will just get everyone else mad at you)
The vast majority of people in the west don’t believe in NAP. Virtually none of the Palestinians believe in NAP or anything that resembles it. Most of them are indoctrinated by a very intolerant religion and media. For example Hamas charter states that their goal is to murder all Jews. I quote from their charter:
Palestinians are very intolerant and easily angered people. I have no idea what is the next thing that will get them going. Every time they are not satisfied with something they use violence. So letting them in might satisfy them for the short time, but in a decade they will demand some other unreasonable thing. No Israeli will take that risk.
Regarding radicalization. I gurantee you that what radicalizes Palestinians more than anything is the constant conessions given by Israel. The more Israel gives, the more hope Palestinians have that further violence will achieve further political goals. I am talking from a lot of experience. You can ask almost every Israeli, they will tell you the same thing.
Palestinians have always been killed without discretion, the israeli push in 2008 killed nearly 1000 civilians(of course its never their fault, human shields, the ultimate excuse that can be used whenever you kill anyone!). So this kind of thing is already put into practice, and of course as usual, doesn’t work.
The concessions you speak of are like if a murderer who entered my home and killed my entire family and then told me that I’m allowed to sleep on the couch for the night. They aren’t real. Palestinians see Israelis as very intolerant and easily angry people- and they have no idea when they’ll decide to kill another 1000 of them. Keep letting them build settlements on your land and diverting all the water from your area to their settlements- and they’ll eventually wipe you out the face of the earth. No Palestinian wants to take that risk, hence Hamas in power. Palestians have already gave Israel enough concessions in blood.
The point being there aren’t any solutions with this kind of attitude. There are plenty of quotes to be dug up about how Israeli government officials don’t think of palestinians as even being human. There has to be something else here besides painting one group as evil. It’ll never work- and most importantly- its fake.
Really? Even before 1947?
You’re right that many people are too willing to use violence. But this cannot be changed through violence. “History has witnessed the failure of many endeavors to impose peace by war, cooperation by coercion, unanimity by slaughtering dissidents…. A lasting order cannot be established by bayonets.” ~ Mises
There you go. So it is not that bad for you is it? Why then the siege mentality?
That’s an awful lot of assumptions there.
Absolutely!
I don’t buy into the whole Rothbardian theme of free immigration is ok under certain conditions but not for welfare states. Its my own beliefs that open borders will make a society more Libertarian. It might be the case that welfare extends into the hands of the new benefit seekers but I think the positives of greater trade and commerce will boost all local economic activity. Looking at economics, I can see its a good thing for the economy whenever there is a diversity of skills and tastes to facilitate the demand for goods and services generated from such skills.
You see, that’s a fairly collectivist mentality; ‘they’ are not anything and ‘they’ cannot hate anyone either. It is also my belief that most of the suicide bombings that happen in Israel occur due to the plethora of anal security checks at the border checks wherein security make the daily lives of the Arabs hell. I’d be pretty pissed off too, although that is no excuse for terrorism on their behalf. If the two races become more integrated it will smooth other relationships between the two people, since what are the differences after all, but ethnicity and religion?
Isn’t the welfare state commiting a dangerous act when it opens the border?
How do you mean? That it risks attracting a host of welfare clients? Or that it risks increasing tensions between nationals and migrant populations?
Yes, that’s what will most likely happen. I think that’s why Rothbard was againts it, even Friedman.
I doubt this is true, most people on welfare never reveal themselves, they usually work “under the table” so it’s never in their best interest. This type of attitude rarely happens in Canada, from what I know. I think this will most likely happen in USA since I heard the Americans hate Mexicans, but that’s just pop culture.
It is a risk but I believe that the positives of increased overall economic output will outweigh the negatives of welfare and over time, the society will become more Libertarian.
No, I know this but I was referring to the problem of racial tensions rather than specific hatred against welfare clients (although a lot of Britons automatically assume immigrants are on welfare - which is comparatively little to what a lot of native Brits receive anyway). In my opinion no culture can ever be Libertarian unless the people within the respective society can work to overcome racism. The effects of open borders should reduce the effect of racism over time (hopefully). But it is my belief that all migrants should have the right to protect themselves. One thing that does bother me is Islam and Sharia law which is highly pro-welfare state. I heard in a poll that something like 40% of muslims (can’t remember if that is the correct statistic) would like to achieve Sharia law in the UK.
Interesting, on the other hand doesn’t this mean that taxes will rise to support the huge number of migrants on welfare.
“positives of increased overall economic”
When?
“the society will become more Libertarian”
And how can a welfare state make that happen?
Racist folks are pretty much harmless nowdays. The best thing to do is not to talk to them. I noticed that some of my liberal politically correct friends are closet racists. There’s nothing, anyone, can do to stop people, no matter how much education.
We can stop violence, that’s for sure, but we can’t interfere with their thoughts.
Yes, I heard about that. I always thought muslims go to their mosque and just mind their own business. The ones I know are very peacefull people.
I read somewhere(probably a propaganda website) that most of them are totalitarian and want to impose Sharia law over everyone. Not sure how much of that is true, after all it was a propaganda website. I know some of them are weird, but isn’t it a small minority? And besides that’s only 40%, this means the other 60% are “nice”.
Are there Sharia courts in the UK?
I suppose it’s ok if they impose it to themselves,