Madame Blavatsky... the Universe as an acting being

Oh, and one final point - unilateral action has always been exceptional among the Elites - it’s generally dangerous to act unilaterally in any way because any unilateral action is likely to be perceived as an act of war. In the world of the Elites, there’s simply no such thing as reneging on an agreement. To do so is far too dangerous. Hence, they have generally either worked hand-in-hand (though grudgingly) or they have secretly worked to create a front group to take the blame for unilateral action. It’s all about plausible deniability.

Governments, corporations, NGO’s, social movements, and so on… are all perfect “fronts” for this kind of thing. And wherever they do directly deal with each other, they try to word-smith each other to death. This is what “diplomacy” really is. Either that, or they meet face-to-face and shake hands… but they’re loathe to do that because that’s the kind of agreement that there is no backing out of. Reneging is so unthinkable as to be impossible.

In other words, the picture I’m trying to paint of the Establishment is that it operates according to rules that are entirely alien to the average person yet, on some level, it’s a lot more “orderly”… people doing crazy shit like telling everyone to go to hell and all deals are off… it just never happens. Not anymore. Those people were all weeded out a long time ago.

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What I’d like to know is to what end are they doing this? I personally don’t give a damn who knows what kind of porn I’ve been browsing or what kinds of drugs I’ve bought. What are they planning to do, shame us all into obedience to a world-state? Give me a break.

Clayton, I wonder if you’ve ever been to www.montalk.net? You should go browse around that site for a while, check out his Gnosis/Polar Mythology series, and see what you think of it all. Maybe check out some stuff about the Cassiopaean transcripts too (I think he has a page about it somewhere on there). It’s all pretty… interesting.

It’s not necessarily your shame that matters, it’s the tsk-tsking of your peers and the usefulness that may have in legal proceedings or other forms of pressure (job eligibility, and so on).

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After a quick glance at montalk… not my cup of tea.

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Fair enough. It just seems to me that - and I say this with all due respect - you’ve hit a wall in your thinking about the “big picture,” and might do well to begin to consider some of the more further out ideas available. I sense in your latest few posts in this thread a train of slowly building cynicism, stemming from a great deal of concern with what this montalk fellow would deem the “3D conspiracy,” ie, the shadow government and secret societies of this world. I’m not trying to convince you to believe in reptilians and whatnot, but only to consider that our existence is more miraculous, and our minds and souls more powerful and important, than most folks would have us understand.

I also put this out there for your and anyone else’s consideration. An internalizing of the first three principles on PKD’s list there can shed some majorly powerful light on what seems like an incredibly hopeless situation here on planet Earth.

Building cynicism? I think my cynicism maxed out years ago.

If you are suggesting the miraculous or supernatural, I consider such suggestions nothing more than line-noise. Cf Hume on miracles. If you are suggesting that the Universe is more marvelous than I know or than I can even begin to conceive, I’m already persuaded.

As I said, I glanced over the materials and it’s not my cup of tea. I could rip apart a dozen different bullet items on a single page.

I don’t think I’ve hit any wall… I’m open to every possibility, even ideas more bizarre than anything on montalk which I’ve not gotten into on this thread and likely will not (people will begin to genuinely doubt my sanity and I do work a day job, after all).

In any case, the problems in our social order are entirely of human origin. All talk of UFOs, aliens, repitiles and other “far-out” stuff that is peddled by intelligence agency disinfo agents is so much drivel meant either to instill fear and despair at the superhuman connections of our rulers or to shift the blame. Our very human rulers are solely responsible for all the wars and messes they are creating here on our planet; and they are the elites of excuse-making, fear-monger, intimidation and so on. They get no free passes on religious, alienistic, transhumanistic or any other grounds.

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Clayton, I assure you that reptiles exist.

LOL, nice one.

So do UFOs and aliens when you think about it… :stuck_out_tongue:

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Yeah, I read where someone asked David Rockefeller what view of economics he was most sympathetic to, and he responded it would be Austrian economics. Blew me out of the water. By the way, he went to London School of Economics and actually studied with/under Hayek for awhile. A lot of central-banking critiques operate on the presumption that the highest officials are actually clueless about ABCT, for example. But I think a subtler view is that - while the rank-and-file are indoctrinated in mainstream, Keynesian economics - the tip of the pyramid must understand ABCT if by no other means than sheer experience. The first central bank was established back in the late-17th century! And they’ve been debasing currencies for at least a dozen centuries prior to that. So, the idea that they are clueless, babe-in-the-woods naive about the general effects of central banking and inflation on the economy is simply ridiculous. (On a related note, I also don’t think they were “confused” about the viability of communism.)

Food, as you mentioned, is another one of these. I think a lot of the mind-control stuff, too… it’s not scientific and yet it is. They know that human minds can be manipulated and tricked and mass-propagandized because they’ve been doing it since the dawn of history. I think the MKULTRA-variety of experimentation is not so much “is mind-control possible?” - as the History channel would have you believe - as “let’s see how far we can take this using the latest tools of modern science.”

What is really bothering me lately is this plasma cosmology stuff. The orthodox cosmology is so grotesquely horrible and wrong that it smells of the same kind of “indoctrination-by-PhD”… just flood the research community with grant money that only points in a certain direction then nurture a battalion of PhDs that all hold exactly the same view: Big Bang, black holes, Dark Matter, Dark Energy, (WTF!!! is this a trading card game???), etc. etc.

And even more suspicious is that plasma cosmology is actually ridiculed. I haven’t found any mainstream astrophysicists or cosmologists who have openly ridiculed it, but if you look at online forums, you will see that the self-appointed Einstein-relativity buffs consistently ridicule plasma cosmology as on a par with Young-Earth Creationism or something. Whenever you see that, you know immediately that these guys picked it up from their time in college - their professors either didn’t talk about it at all (which means it must be quack) or they were dropping snide remarks whenever the topic came up. Why is plasma cosmology ridiculous? I cannot find a single ridiculous thing about it. Velikovsky is pretty wild but even he isn’t ridiculous. And then Birkeland, Alfven, Peratt??? Come on!

I have two hypotheses. One I will state. The other is too insane to be stated in public. :wink:

I have written earlier in the thread that I suspect that nuclear bombs are a Big Lie. My reasons (in brief) are: a) There’s nothing in the footage that couldn’t be faked, b) some governments’ footage (e.g. China) is obviously fake, c) release of radioactivity by “test firings” could easily be accomplished by “dirty bomb” methods, d) the Moon landings were faked; going to the Moon had been written about by a famous fictionalist (Verne), e) the “atomic bomb” was a term first used by fictionalist HG Wells… decades before the actual nuclear bomb, f) the Manhattan project has the same aura of “impossibly perfect” about it that the Moon landings do, g) both occurred after the arrival of central-banking to America (the possibility of funding monumentally expensive “fake-out” projects), h) the science of radioactivity is bizarrely incongruous with other sciences… of course radioactivity exists but why is it simply posited that matter can “decay” into energy?.. and what does that even mean… “matter is energy”… not it’s not, matter is matter, energy is the latent propensity within matter to move, i) related to this, there are a variety of serious metaphysical bungles in the foundations of modern philosophy of science related to the meaning of time, energy, causality and even existence, j) radioactive particles could alternatively be understood as “transducers” of some kind that capture energy at one frequency and emit it at another… in other words, radioactive particles could be atomic-scale radio circuits that degrade over time (thus explaining radioactive decay) and this gives us a theory of radioactivity that does not violate conservation of mass/energy nor require us to say such absurd things as “matter and energy are the same thing”, k) variation in the purportedly “constant” radioactive decay rates of a handful of elements has been discovered (and virtually covered up, hand-waved away)… turns out their decay rates move up and down in synch with the Solar sunspot cycle.

This last point is a real doozy. It suggests that there could be a connection between the Solar environment and radioactivity itself. These points combined suggest that perhaps the purpose of steering the scientific community away from plasma cosmology is that a focus on the electrical nature of the Earth and the Solar environment will lead to a cascade of discoveries that would rewrite the physics of radioactivity. Which would take all the air out of their Big Lie which is one of the tools being used to create a world government (HG Wells specifically wrote on this point… he even posited the suitcase-nuke scenario as an insuperable rationale for world government!)

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Just curious what you think of existence of nuclear reactors. Are they fake?

@Andris: There are some websites that suggest exactly that. But note that radioactivity itself is an empirically established phenomenon. If you stand next to a big block of enriched Uranium-235, you will die. It is conceivable that the metaphysical idealizations of radioactive processes (such as atom-splitting, neutron-bombardment, etc.) are simply wrong in the right way. That is, neutron-bombardment might be a fanciful description of the microscopic phenomena that, however, happens to have macroscopic correlation with the energy release of radioactive materials.

To put it in simplified terms, nuclear reactors operate on the principle that when you put a bunch of radioactive material in close proximity (fuel rods), the release of energy is increased. I see no necessary reason why the orthodox description of the microscopic phenomena (neutrons breaking apart atoms) is the only conceivable description that is consistent with this behavior, nor do I see that it necessarily follows that if you compress radioactive material into a tiny, spherical ball, that its energy output must rise to the levels that nuclear weapons are supposed to achieve.

Perhaps what radioactive materials are doing is down-converting energy from an extremely high-frequency range - way outside the range we have been able to probe with particle reactors - into a lower frequency range which we observe as the release of radioactive energy (particles). If this is true, then radioactive materials are not “converting matter into energy”, they are simply converting energy from one form (unobservable) to another (observable). In every other field of science, this an ordinary and mundane behavior of the natural world as we understand it (e.g. think of how a radio circuit converts insensible radio-frequency waves to sensible audio waves that our ears can perceive).

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Stunning X-class solar flare today:

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Look at this. Now tell me that the Elites have not shifted the global economy to Asia.

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You’ve got some very interesting theories, Clayton. I’ve read up to about page 5 or 6 and skimmed after that.

What do you think of modern psychology? It’s a young science. What do you think we know about the brain and what do you think is wrong?

You’ve mentioned somewhere that you think the brain is a computer. What kind? A digital computer?

Aam

I would add to the previous question: do we have any evidence that brain actually “produces” mind, as opposed to being a mere conduit to some kind of “soul”?

I have yet to read anything by Thomas Szasz that I disagree with. Modern psychiatry is a tool of social and political manipulation. Other branches of psychology are collecting interesting data (e.g. the fMRI stuff) but of dubious value. Daniel Dennett remarks on fMRI research showing that apparently wistful decisions are predictable as much as 10 seconds before they occur (paraphrase): What does this tell us about free will? Well, nothing. But don’t play rock-paper-scissors for money with the authors of this research when they have your head hooked into an fMRI machine!

The brain is at least a computer. It turns out that it doesn’t matter (from a computability perspective) what kind of computer the brain is. Every kind of (Turing complete) computer can simulate every other kind of computer.

Clearly, the brain is a neural-net computer - the whole concept of neural-net computing comes from brain science. I believe it’s still an open question, at this point, why Nature chose neural networks… what is so natural about a neural network? I think that it comes down to efficient use of parallelism but there’s not a lot of theoretical understanding of this issue at this time (automatic parallelization of algorithms is still a very thorny subject). Of course, Nature works the exact opposite of the way we do - we write down a recipe (solution to a problem) and then try to figure out how to parallelize it. Nature begins with parallelism (cells, nervous systems) and then recipes (behaviors) emerge from the competition between these inherently parallel algorithms.

Also, note that the neural-net structure of the brain is only its “highest level” structure. Underneath, it turns out that our entire body is computing… every single cell is computing. Cells, in fact, are self-reproducing computer hardware. So, the “brain/body” dichotomy is dangerous - clearly, most of the computing goes on in the cranium but a great deal of computing also goes on throughout the rest of the body. Perhaps this part of it is indispensable to understanding what consciousness really is.

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Does there have to be a distinction? This is how I think of it. Imagine a human inside of a glass box. The question is: is there anything outside the box that is influencing his consciousness? You can say, well, light is. OK, so paint the box black. What else? Well, sound. OK, so evacuate an area around the glass box so sound cannot reach the box or his ears. What else? Heat (insulation), electro-magnetic waves (Faraday cage), and so on. Once you’ve finished, there will still be the local atmosphere of the box itself and the mysterious “vacuum energy density” which nobody really has any idea what the hell that is.

But I think we can safely say that all the causal factors that we understand can be eliminated without injury to consciousness. Hence, there is no causal dependency on any of those causal factors - with respect to all of known physics, consciousness exists exclusively within the cranium. There is still the vacuum energy and all we can say in respect to this is we don’t know if there is a causal relationship between that and consciousness because we have no way to isolate a conscious being (or anything, for that matter) from it.

I think a more philosophical way to answer the question is to start morphologically. Clearly, what we mean by consciousness - what is special about it - is something that is not enjoyed by a rock, even if it were to turn out that the spiritualists were not just uttering mumbo-jumbo when they say “the world is spirit”. That is, even supposing “everything is conscious”, in whatever sense a rock is conscious, we are conscious in a different, more special way and it is that “alertness” or “awakeness” that we are interested in. But we can just look at a human brain and note that its shape must be playing a causal role in the fact that it - and not a rock - is alert/awake/conscious. And this is clearly not exclusively true of human brains - however much lower the conscious awareness of other animals is, it is not zero. But how far down does it go? Are spiders conscious? I just flushed one down the shower drain this morning… I didn’t squish him because I figured I’d let him have a fighting chance. But he was invading my shower! Anyway, even if you said insects are conscious - are amoeba conscious? Are protein chains conscious? At some point, you have to draw a line and say “these things are conscious in the special, ‘alert/awake’ way that these other things are not.”

Any line we draw is arbitrary because we cannot go inside the head of a spider and “see what it’s like to be a spider”, for example. So, I draw the line at central-nervous system. I don’t think anything that doesn’t have a CNS can be conscious in the special, alert/awake sense that we are, even a little bit. In terms of consciousness, there is no difference between a rock and a protein chain. There is no difference between a gear-box and an amoeba. There is no difference between a pile of dirt and a tree. These entities are “isoconscious”, to invent a word.

So, having excluded everything that does not have a CNS, that still leaves a big chunk of the animal world, including ourselves. Let’s suppose that everything with a CNS is conscious in the special, alert/awake way that we are, it just expresses itself differently. In this case, we can ask a simple question: what is it about the morphology of a CNS that causes it to be capable of alert/awake consciousness? And I think this is where the “neural correlates of consciousness” folks are coming from. However, I think they have an unduly stunted conception of physical possibility. Given how little we know about physics, I think we need to adopt a mantle of greater humility towards the possible springs of consciousness. Perhaps the CNS simply has a morphology that happens to be able to “tune in” to some kind of “consciousness broadcast” from somewhere else in the galaxy that is mediated through forces that operate in the vacuum, which we don’t understand. Or, perhaps it manufactures the entire theatre of consciousness within itself (this is the orthodox view). Either way, we should still be able to narrow our search by considering the morphological characteristics that differentiate a CNS from a non-CNS entity.

To put into perspective what I mean by humility, I was just browsing YT videos about pulsars. The crab pulsar, for example, emits an 11 cycles/sec. signal clearly audible in the X-ray spectrum. It’s amazing. But there are some pulsars that are in the millisecond range - the astrophysicists believe these things are literally spinning at that rate. The plasma cosmologists laugh at this… the surface of the highest frequency known pulsar must be rotating at a rate 1/7th the speed of light. Um. The plasma-cosmological view is that pulsars are simply resonances in stellar plasma. But the fact is that we can’t resolve this question by looking at objects 100’s of thousands of light-years distant. You have to “build your way out” as we did for setting the scale structure of the Universe by first calculating the distances to the planets and then to the nearest stars - through parallax - and so on.

The lack of humility is what drives this search for bigger, faster, more incredible things. It’s a scientific pissing contest. Why not try to understand how our local environment actually works? There are clearly electromagnetic resonances and energy exchanges happening between the Sun and its planets. Why not try to build a solid understanding of this before speculating about X-ray emitting objects that are zillions of times more distant?

This same arrogance is present in neurology. Everybody’s looking for that ‘big breakthrough’ that ‘explains it all’ when every indication is that a) the human brain is not special (animal brains do everything the human brain does in the basic terms of alertness/awakeness which is the central puzzle here), b) brains consist of a rat’s nest of purpose-built “modules” that solve particular problems, just like the heart solves a particular problem and the liver solves a particular problem, c) “general-purpose reasoning” isn’t… it’s just the capacity for language. Rather than looking for the big breakthrough that explains it all, why not start with explaining what we have in front of us? There are some folks who are doing this, with amazing results. Basically, it’s just a matter of reverse-engineering the damn thing.

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Clayton,

I thought you might be interested in this article by Roderick Long: http://c4ss.org/content/11146

He essentially argues that spontaneous order mechanisms can reinforce and maintain state systems so that “conspiracy theory” type explanations aren’t altogether necessary for understanding how states maintain themselves.

@mika: I agree with Long - the State is indeed a result of “invisible hand” forces, that is, it is emergent. This is why I reject Rothbard’s account of government as solely the creation of propaganda… a big mental trick that, once exposed, would immediately collapse. Mental tricks are a big part of it, but it’s not the whole thing.

In my conspiracy theories, I speculate on a) concrete manifestations of State power that are overlooked or trivialized and b) specific methods by which the Elites extract resources from the public and try to cobble together a bigger, more powerful government cartel. How are they maintaining centralization? To the extent their schemes work, I guess we have no option but to say “it is as Nature intended”.

But that doesn’t mean we can’t examine its mechanism and render predictions on its future. For example, unlike many libertarians, I do not believe that world government is a serious possibility. The evidence for world government is the steady, inexorable reduction in the number of sovereigns that has been occurring over the process of centuries. But I think this is a case of missing the unseen by focusing on the seen - the fact is that this is not just a “magical” process, sovereigns have always been taken out and subjected by other sovereigns. As this process continues, there is a “weeding out” and, thus, an intensification of the competition.

It’s like the difference between the first round chess tournaments versus world chess tournament. As you work your way up the process of elimination, the average aptitude of the contenders steadily increases. The world government theory basically boils down to the assertion that there is a ruling dynasty that is so irresistable that, in the long run, they will topple all others because no one else is even close to as competent at ruling. I don’t buy it.

But you have to be a “conspiracy theorist” to see why this is the case - ruling is an inherently non-linear business. There’s always more than one way to skin the cat, as they say, and the greatest ruling powers in the world today are incredibly flexible and creative in applying whatever means necessary to achieving their ends. If you just read the orthodox history books, you won’t really see this. It’s like the difference between getting an education in biology from watching Bambi versus looking through a microscope at real living organisms. The history books are filled with heros, villains, suckers and shysters. In reality, there’s just a bunch of very clever, avaricious, power-mad people who are constantly fighting amongst each other in thousands of direct or indirect methods, most of which never make the news because the news people simply don’t have the information required to connect the dots.

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Damn.

Don’t watch this if you’ve just eaten. Informative, though.

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