There are lots of anarcho-punk bands out there, mostly collectivist. Anyone know of any which promotes market anarchism instead? Or any band/musician with market anarchist sympathies regardless of genre?
Lemmy of Motorhead calls himself an anarchist and a libertarian interchangeably, and was qouted as saying that “government causes more problems than it solves”, plus he calls for the legalisation of drugs. Overall, he could be called an “unwitting” market-anarchist. Krist Novoselic (former Nirvana bass player) actually donated money to Ron Paul’s campaign, and spoke at the Libertarian National Convention in 2006; Rush drummer Neil Peart is influenced by Ayn Rand; both however aren’t anarchists.
The Apostles are an extremely underrated, but obscure anarcho band who have wrote some questionable lyrics (wrote parody RAC songs and parody homophobic songs - singer was openly gay). They wrote a song called Libertarian Youth which I’m still trying to figure out.
LIBERTARIAN YOUTH
Your body is a gift to the nation,
the result of a man and a womans’ frustration.
You’re taught to believe the unbelievable.
You’re taught to accept the unacceptable.
The lies you’re told are painted as true.
Thought and question will not come from you.
A school of thought is a school of the mind.
But self realization is not for your kind.
The stream you swim is the stream they set,
and it is yourself they make you forget.
They train you for work, they teach you a trade;
you’re one of the many willing servants they’ve made.
Whether factory fodder or the office elite.
You’ll attack one another like the meat you eat.
But if you protest, they’ll lock you away
Though you only feel anger because they made you that way.
Is it surprising that you salute the nation
when you’re unware of the degradation?
You’re living a crime by obeying the law -
Have you never thought why and what it is for? (It’s for breaking!)
You’ll work for the nation until you die.
Your lives are stolen. Do you wonder why?
Your body is useless. It now lays dead.
All because you were so easily lead.
Did you ever posses a thought inside your head?
Open the floodgates paint us black and red! Use your own head!
Poison Girls is another extremely underrated anarcho band (also from the 80’s). They wrote a song called Bully Boys that is apparently about the socialist at the time, but the BNP thought it was about them and got offended and I think beat up some members of the band.
Both those bands have pretty big discagraphies, but chances are you won’t be able to buy anything from The Apostles, everything I have I had to download.
Other than that you won’t find anything that’s open to free-markets. There’s been some Crass songs that have had an an-cap appeal to them (such as Bloody Revolutions). The question is more of “Are there any anarcho-punk bands who aren’t openly socialist?” If you haven’t heard of these (maybe you have or have not) I’d definitely check them out as far as anarcho-punk goes: Thatcher on Acid, The System, The Mob, and DIRT.
http://funkjelly.com/2009/07/10/the-10-biggest-sellouts-in-punk-rock-history/
Ian MacKaye, Johnny Rotten, The Buzzcocks, and the Dead Kennedy’s shouldn’t be on the list (Buzzcocks and Dead Kennedy’s are old now, who cares if they sell off their music to random things). The list should be…
-
Chumbawamba (or Chumbawanka for people like me): Started off as anarcho-punk, and eventually signed to EMI in which they started to play pop-music, the reasoning was to bring in a larger audience (they did the song “I Get Knocked Down”). Condemned by Oi Polloi and Conflict, Oi Polloi released the Chumbawanka EP which was pretty much anti-Chumbawamba with 6 different bands on it. They apparently played gigs funded by beer companies etc, but they are considered number 1 sellouts in punk. I just don’t care for the music.
-
Discharge: After their guitarist and bassist left Discharge to start Broken Bones, the singer took the band in a weird glam metal direction which the band completely denies now. Grave New World in 1986, and Massacre Divine in 1991.
-
The Exploited: As well as Discharge they are one of my favorites, up til they started putting out garbage. They put out two “crossover thrash” albums in the 90’s which were horrible. Beat the Bastards in 1996, and Fuck the System in 2003. I saw them live years back, and they are not that impressive. They should have quit after their 1990 album.
Any other band I could mention didn’t sell out, they still remained unknown but ended up putting out weird “pop” sounding music that was really odd. I don’t find it selling out, but it surely messed up their fan base.
^Exactly, plus Public Image Limited and the Sex Pistols? He’s got musical balls.
KMK and Corporate Avenger kinda. Really, there politics are much better… i mean closer to syndicalists or collectivists, but they do say in one song “Anarchy through capitalism!”
The song is “We the People”
^Exactly, plus Public Image Limited and the Sex Pistols? He’s got musical balls.
I guess they don’t take into account he left Sex Pistols during their USA tour because he got sick of McLaren and all the nonsense involved. I guess he realized they were turning into puppets for what McLaren wanted. I’m pretty sure the writers of this article never heard of PIL though. Also, who cares of he’s doing commercials advertising butter, I think it’s rather funny.
It’s nice to see people here actually know who PiL are, most people I know do not. If there are young voluntaryists who play an instrument, you could start a band. On that note, if anyone in the north jersey area plays guitar or drums, hit me up.
I actually have some original Sex Pistols vinyl. The Something Else EP and My Way EP from The Great Rock N Roll Swindle movie, and the Flogging A Dead Horse LP. I came close to bidding on The Great Rock N Roll Swindle LP, but the sleeve would open up and it was messed up on the inside, didn’t want to bother.
I want to start an 80’s style hardcore band with my friend, something like Youth Korps/Artificial Peace.
I want to start a post punk or no wave band with blues, garage, country, and shoe gaze influences. This doesn’t mean that every song would include all those influences, but a different mixture per song. Jazz or funk would be cool too. Hardcore would be fun to play too.
I think finding people who are interested in real post-punk would be harder than most other things. Besides Joy Division many of those bands aren’t really popular. I don’t know anyone who’s into 80’s post-punk and 80’s goth. Other than that I don’t keep up with most modern stuff. Interpol is the only contemporary post-punk band I listen to, and I had the pleasure of seeing them live last month.
Well there are post punk “revival” bands, but a lot of them are crappy and watered down. I’d say the only good post punk influenced bands of the 2000s are the new shoegaze, noise pop, dream pop and post rock bands (for example the Sea and Cake, Deerhunter, Raveonettes, Explosions in the Sky, Do Make Say Think, Pele etc etc). There’s no real no wave revival either, much of the better post punk influenced bands were from the 80s and 90s.
Post-Rock is pretty diverse though (almost too diverse to call a genre, but there’s glue that holds it together), where a band can have influence from everything from krautrock to country to folk to techno to house to jazz (but its mostly either a classical base influence, post punk, jazz or electronica, though it can be a mix). I like it though, because I pretty much listen to everything except metal, pop and techno (specifically, I like electronica though).
I like stuff such as Explosions In The Sky, but my girlfriend is more into the instrumental type stuff, I never looked into it specifically. Some of it I like (like If These Trees Could Talk), and some of it I find it annoying (like A Silver Mt. Zion).
Do you listen to any of the post-punk/neo-folk stuff like Death In June and Nature & Organisation?
Silver Mt Zion isn’t too good. Godspeed you black emperor is much better if you like classical. Sea and Cake and Tortoise is better if you like jazz. Instrumental is great. Actually not all post rock is instrumental, most of the sea and cake’s library has vocals (they take a sorta pop and jazz take on post rock).
I’ve never heard of those two bands but I’ll look em up.
Do you listen to any no wave? Protopunk? Garage rock?
Also when it comes to post punk, do you listen to any Gang of Four, Pere Ubu, or Gun Club (well the last one is mostly something of it’s own)?
Oh how wonderful it would be if the Mises.org forums would actually spawn a bona fide, out and proud anarcho-capitalistic band, punk or otherwise.
I like Godspeed! You Black Emperor, and I’ve listened to Tortoise a few times. Mogwai is another band that would fall into that.
When it comes to Death In June their first two albums are post-punk (Burial, The Guilty Have No Pride), and then they started moving into what’s called neo-folk (Rose Clouds of Holocaust, But What Ends When The Symbols Shatter). The last album they put out was completely acoustic. There’s a lot of bands involved with them that share a similiar sound at some point. DIJ has a large discography, though.
Genre wise I don’t know if I listen to anything specifically no-wave, protopunk, or garage rock, but I’ll listen to bands that would fall under those genres.
I have some Gang of Four, but I can’t get into it that much. Probably need to give it another listen. I actually got into the Gun Club when I saw a guy wearing their shirt who had a Death In June logo on his jacket. Never heard of Pere Ubu. Do you listen to The Chameleons or The Pyschedelic Furs?
I’ve heard of Mogwai, got a few of their albums, don’t like them too much. Never heard of them. Gun Club is part of my top 3 bands. They are a mixture of blues, punk rock, and country. The Gun Club, Flat Duo Jets and the Cramps created Punk Blues. Listen to the first two albums, the rest aren’t as good
I’ve heard of Chameleons and Psychedelic furs, never got a chance to listen to them.
No wave is bands like DNA, and James chance and the Contortions. They provided foundations for later noise rock bands, and punk jazz bands. It was a very experimental movement and each band has a different approach. Strong influences from Jazz, Funk, Free Jazz and noise music. DNA is the more primitive sounding band, james chance sounds like free funk funneled through punk rock, as if Ornette Coleman and Johnny Rotton had babies.
Garage rock is synonymous to punk rock.Punk before punk existed. It’s basically 60’s punk. A lot of surf, blues, r&b influences done by amateurs. I’d say the best garage band would be the sonics. Later there are punk bands like oblivians and the cramps which mix this into their music, creating a sub genre called Garage Punk. Basically very similar to grunge, minus the anxeity, depression, and heavy metal influences, and with a high spirit and fun attitude. In general garage rock has a heavy heavy influence throughout most punk movements, from the Stooges and the Sex Pistols, to My Bloody Valentine and even crappy bands like Nirvana.
Protopunk are just bands right before punk emerged stabilly as music. Early 70’s, stuff like the Stooges, Death and Velvet Underground.
When you start looking into, you realize what huge influence punk rock has on music, really the list goes on and on. Punk is more of a “do anything” aesthetic then it is a specific musical style.
When you say garage punk I think of stuff like Jay Reatard. I’m a really big fan of The Spits if you’ve heard of them. I’ve never put much effort into looking into other subgenres. I mainly stuck to UK77, UK82, anarcho, and USHC, plus 80’s Scandinavian hardcore, and 80’s Japanese hardcore. The past year I got more into post-punk and 80’s goth type stuff. I think it’s due to already soaking up every band in the previously mentioned genres.
As for protopunk sounding stuff goes look up the song “China’s Eternal” by The Tights. It might be up your alley.
I play bass. Though I’m more of a progressive than a punk. Me living in Estonia might be a problem though. Anyway, I always perform with a Murray Rothbard t-shirt on. Nobody has ever asked me anything about it though.