Microsecession as a strategy and the prospects for a new Hanseatic League

The Free State Project is a good thing. What is happening in New Hampshire bodes well for liberty. The point, however, is that the Free State Project needs to be like McDonalds or Starbucks. The objective is to drive down the street and pass five Free Subdivisions on your way to work.

Why not develop a system that can replicate itself and spread freedom around the world? Why should one country, one city, or one state be the ultimate goal.? Acheiving the ultimate goal of course involves convincing one individual and one home at a time.

The challenge appears to be getting paid to increase the amount of freedom in the world.

The Free State Project has evolved into a networking tool to organize relocation of “liberty-minded” people into New Hampshire. Beyond that, the movers do what they chose to do. You are quite welcome to come here and find a way to put your idea into practice. The more activism in a concentrated location, the better the chances of successes.

I’m new here, but I came expressly because I was told that mises.org is a great resource for learning about the viability of secession.

A year ago, I read ‘Discipline’ by Paco Ahlgren, which I’m sure most or all of you have read, since he in an Austrian (which is the reason I found this site), and I dismissed his prediction that the dollar would fail, to be replaced by a private currency, and that Texas would secede. The book is fiction so it seemed pretty ridiculous to me. He even has a scene where the Texas governor gives a speech about secession.

Obviously, lately I’ve taken his predictions much more seriously, and in doing more research I found out he wrote the book years ago. So I know there are a lot of people who have loosely predicted all this, but he actually wrote the story before it happened, which scares me even more, because there’s a lot of other stuff in the book that hasn’t happened yet. For those of you who haven’t seen it, you can read an article he wrote recently at Seeking Alpha, where he ties secession to the dollar’s failure. http://seekingalpha.com/article/117801-the-end-of-the-u-s-as-we-know-it-tracking-the-dollar-downward

I have a lot of questions, and I guess this is as good a place as any to ask them. I’ll start here – if a state were to secede, like Texas, how would it defend itself against an invasion from another power, like Mexico? Also, how will Texas fight a war against the U.S. One of Ahlgren’s arguements is that the U.S. is stretched to thin to fight a long civil war that would be unpopular anyway. And what about nukes. Would a state like Texas be able to take over any nuclear weapons within its borders fairly easily, or could they be used by the U.S. against Texas?

My last question is this: is Ahlgren associated with the Mises Institute, and does he speak publicly that you know of – if you know at all? I know he’s speaking next month at an event in Las Vegas, but I can’t make it, so I was hoping someone here could help me out with any other appearances. I wrote to him directly about all of this, but I haven’t heard back.

Thank you in advance.

How does Switzerland defend itself against invasion by France, Italy or Germany?

Why would Texas fight a war?

I don’t understand this. How could anyone possibly claim to know an answer to this?

I’ve never heard of him. Mises.org does not promote violence or violent solutions.

As you will find on the here mentionned links, the Hanseatic League’s spirit has already been re-started in the city of Zwolle in the Netherlands, in 1980. You will find it at www.hanse.org The actual president is the Mayor of the city of Luebeck in Germany. Since 1980, you have in summer, Hanseatic Days, each year in another hanseatic city.

As Flemish-belgian, I also feel involved in this revival. Brugge, in Flanders, Bryggen/Norway and Veliky Novgorod/Russia were the 3 Main-Offices (Kontor) of the continent. This year the "Hanseatic Days’ are held in Novgorod Russia.

In my eyes, an historical revival of an area must also have an historial social and economical vision in sight and this is what I developped on my website : www.HansaMarine.org that you are welcome to visit.

Best Regards from Antwerp^in Flanders.

Brandy.Hans@skynet.be

Hoppe is wrong. The only revolution required is a personal one. No one else has to agree or support you, you do not have to form any group of like-minded individuals, and you do not need a “microstate” however defined. Personal secession on your terms [not Hoppe’s or anyone elses] is all that is required.


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Those that want to throw you in jail or kill you for not obeying their laws? You know, shut your business down for not getting a license. Or throw you in jail for smoking a joint. Etc., etc.

Oh, “Lord love a duck!”

I have now spent a good part of 3 days reading and considering this thread and I will here give you some of my thoughts on it. First, I note that pages 1-7 have a set of authors different from pages 8 and 9.

The first set of authors are, I believe, completely unrealistic and idealistic. This is common to the young and to the academic. They seem to be excited by the ideas but ignorant and uninterested in the practice (of the ideas). The second set are much more realistic but the first set did not respond to them, which says even more about the first set. As a teenager some of my favorite authors were Clark, Heinlein, and Asimov. And the island idea might make a good sci-fi.

Today an island without population would exist only because of no potable water or unbearable climate. To get potable water would require a de-salinization plant. To run the plant would require a nuclear generator. To use both would need a distribution system, whose support would require roads (if only graded and compacted). At this point no one lives there and billions (if not trillions) have been spent. I am an active investor and have occasionally taken some big risks, but this project would not get 1 penny from me. So suppose these improvements were all inplace and the first set moved there and homesteaded. As academics they have no skills and must be completely supported by a working population that must be paid and who will outnumber them. As NAPs they must also hire security including, probably, individual bodyguards, although not until they begin earning a sufficient income. There is no culture whatever to hold or guide them on one path. And finally, note that we currently have a government directed and primarily run by academics.

My thoughts here may be unjustly negative, but may spur some response, if only in anger. But I do challenge these first set of authors to take at least 1 class, during their schooling, in a trade. Try welding, woodworking, cooking, cleaning, gardening, shoemaking, gunsmithing, anything. A skilled welder taday earns $USD 200,000 - 250,000 in the Canadian oil sands, non-union. Also I strongly recommend that each of the first set of authors take a gun safety class. These typically last 1 day and don’t cost too much, everything needed is provided, and there is a choice of pistol, rifle, or shotgun safety. See the NRA site for schedules.

I think the second set of authors is not only more realistic but can acturally be accomplished today. But is the commitment really there or is it all talk.

My idea is to do it by means of the currency. Gold coins are not taxed. Did you know that! So if you could create a sub-economy that dealt in gold there would be no taxes, legally. In order to consume the maximum possible of your desired consumption as economically as possible this sub-economy would have to be a physically geographic community - a small town or village. Each Libertarian would purchase a home and live there, hopefully resulting in all contiguous land being so owned. The village would, desirably, be as self-supporting as possible. Realistically most would have jobs outsice the village which earned income on which all taxes must be paid. All remaining income would then be converted to gold. In time the village would grow to be self-supporting. In this way legal secession could be postponed until the village had grown to be large enough and rich enough and therefore powerfull enough to defend itself, and would have other villages started on the same path.

The free-state project of the Libertarian Party has, by vote, selected New Hampshire and when 20,000 members commit to move there, it will be able to vote in the State Legislature, they propose.

I think that Montana is a better choice, for many reasons. The population is 1/2, and the current laws and population are much more supportive today.

I hope you will reply, both sets, please.

A revised edition of this essay is now online at my blog:

http://strangerousthoughts.wordpress.com/2011/01/19/imagining-and-creating-a-free-country-within-an-unfree-world-local-secession-and-urbanization/

I loved that post of yours and I subscribed to your blog on that account.

I can only add that without said free cities acquiring nuclear weapons, the whole concept is pointless. Hoppe seems to put far to much credit into the idea that states are constrained by their public appearance, and would not attack a peaceful community. Think again, if that was true, the state itself would not have arisen. It would not take logn for some demagogue to convince the mob that that filthy-rich neighbor city is truly ‘exploiting’ us, by ‘taking our jobs’ and the usual arsenal. They will ask for war, let alone making it impossible for the state to get one.

So, let’s hope some smuggles sells nukes on the black market, otherwise this whole thing will end in a bloodbath.

Better tell Monaco to accelerate its nuclear armaments program.

If you’re French and live in Monaco you still must pay French taxes. If Monaco stopped trying to be as cooperative as possible with its neighbors tax policies the story would change, I’m afraid. “The filthy tax heavens must be punished” and such, not to mention what could happen if suddenly drug selling would be legalized in Monaco.

As Jorg Guido Hullsmann points out, secession does not mean breaking all relationships with the central power, it means negotiating them on your own terms. The protection and citizenship of France is not free, yet despite paying for this, Monaco has one of the highest GDP per capita in the world.

Sure, I’m not saying that Monaco is just like France. Still going from ‘somewhat more free’ to ‘network of global free cities’ is a long shot which, I believe, cannot be achieved by mere ‘diplomacy’.

Maybe, but would having a mass-murder machine be a good idea? Might be a better idea to stock up on cheaper anti-military weapons, especially since delivering a nuke without an ICBM is a dicey proposition unless you’re installing them preemptively.

I may be a little late as the discussion has shifted.

Firstly, attempting to establish a anarchist society on an island has been attempted several times. Werner K Stiefel financed several attempts.

http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig4/maccallum2.html

I also think much of the discussion underestimates the difficulty of establishing a new society, not just in escaping from the current constraints of the state. Institutions that protect private property must be in place, as well as commercial law and dispute resolution. It will be difficult to attract investors without ensuring them that their property is secure. In literature this is referred to as social software.

The best person to fund any of these ventures is probably Peter Thiel. He founded PayPal and has a 25% share in Facebook. I heard him speak at Libertopia and he said he was interested in funding libertarian projects that are not intellectually oriented. He has also pledged one million dollars to the SeaSteading institute.

Maybe, but would having a mass-murder machine be a good idea? Might be a better idea to stock up on cheaper anti-military weapons, especially since delivering a nuke without an ICBM is a dicey proposition unless you’re installing them preemptively.

The military is not the enemy, the state is. In a duel you attack your opponent’s body, not his arms.

Libertarians seem eager to die in glorious battle without learning any of the subtleties of war.

Firstly, attempting to establish a anarchist society on an island has been attempted several times. Werner K Stiefel financed several attempts.

Islands are isolated and remote. They are not good locations, unless the island is already densely populated.