Minimum wage compromise

The best solution to minimum wage is for there not to be one, however, I believe I have a decent compromise that is better than what both parties advocate now and at the same time will be able to pass through the pro-communist road blocks in congress.

What if minimum wage was completely eliminated, but the government, not the employer, provided you with an extra wage to compensate for your lack of earnings. For example, let’s say that minimum wage proponents believe minimum wage should be $7.50 per hour. If you make $4/hour then the government will give you an additional $3.50/hour that you work.

Under this plan, there will be no welfare for not working, as you know have very very little excuse not to work because certainly someone would at least pay you $0.10/ hour or something like that. At least this way you will be producing something for the economy instead of getting wages for absolutely nothing.

Perfect solution, no, but it is better than what we do now?

Insane idea. The government would be subsidizing low-productivity work at the expense of high-productivity work.

But isn’t it subsidising no work at the expense of all work right now?

The biggest problem with that is that every employer who is hiring minimum-wage work would lower their wages to zero and have the government pay for all their minimum-wage work. The worker wouldn’t care if their check comes from the government or their employer, and the employer would get free money from the government for reducing the wages they pay.

Well, we could just say you can’t pay zero.

I do see a problem with this that I didn’t see before. Under the minimum wage, employers will have no incentive to to big up wages since it doesn’t matter to employees if their wage is $.01 or $7.49 if the government compensates up to $7.50. Therefore, every employer could just pay $.01.

But, I still wonder if this is WORSE than what we do now, since the jobs that produce under minimum wage now are lost and the worker produces nothing. At least they’ll be producing something undr this plan.

We would need to figure out the economic costs of lost jobs now, and see of that’s greater than the amount of compensation that would be given out by the creation of new jobs under my plan, plus the jobs that would immediately see their wages drop below minimum.

Probably impossible to figure out.

But possible to figure out that both are not pareto efficient. And in the end the damage dealed by both would be the same.
Taking from the taxes 7,49$ and redistributing or not giving a chance to earn 7,49$
It won’t make people richer in any way.

This is essentially the same thing as a negative income tax, simply guaranteeing the poor a minimum income by supplementing their wage income with tax money. It is true, this would be a much better situation, as Dr Block has argued in a debate. The minimum wage is a really stupid way to ‘help’ the poor.

No compromise.

see Charles Murray’s “In Our Hands”

http://www.nationalreview.com/interrogatory/qa200603270732.asp

I have the book. :slight_smile: Haven’t read it yet, but I have an idea of what it suggests. If one had to had government welfare, I’d go for a plan like Murray’s, as opposed to all the rubbish currently in place.

How would you fund it?

I presume Murphy would have suggested some tax or other. I wouldn’t mind if politicians had to beg for donations to fund it.

No compromise. Not ever.

Trianglechoke7,

I have not read the other posts in this thread, so if what I say has already been addressed, I apologise.

This “solution” would be far, far worse than what we have now (not that this is any defense, of course, of what we have now).

Under your “solution,” you remove incentive for paying higher wages (so long as such wages are still below the government-mandated threshold). Whereas businesses have to raise their wage offers under a free market to attract efficient of better skilled workers, your “solution” would allow big business to pass this risk off to the tax-payer. If a business is paying its employees $4 under a free market and wants to get better employees to come its way, it has to raise its pay to $7, let’s say. But under your “solution,” all the employees are already being paid $7.50, leaving business with no reason not to just pocket the additional $3, or even to drop everyone’s pay down to one cent and pocket all $7. After all, John Taxpayer’s the one paying the bill.

This will have extremely destructive effects for the same reason the welfare system has destructive effects. Who would want to work for $1,000 a week if the government is offering you $900 a week for doing nothing? Such a system leaves the worker with the choice of doing a week’s worth of work for $100 or just sitting back and relaxing. (And when welfare rates rise, more people leave their jobs and go into unemployement, making the costs of welfare higher, thus increasing taxes, thus allowing workers less money on which to live and encouraging them to go into unemployement as well, invariably creating a vicious cycle which ends in state socialism).

In short, there is no reason under your “solution” that employers who know their employees are worth less than $8 an hour wouldn’t choose to simply sit back and relax. But let us say that Businessman Jones feels bad about the idea of dropping the pay of his $4 employees down to one cent, and decided to keep them at $4. The employees would lose much of their incentive to show Jones what good employees they are. In other words, good or hard work would be discouraged. Why? Because Jones would have to offer raises of at least $4 additional dollars (on top of the four they’re already being paid) in order to have any actual effect on the income of his employees.

Finally, you claim that under this plan, “there will be no welfare for not working.” What prevents Businessman Smith from hiring his nephews at one cent per hour to do nothing? Under a free market system, none of us would care if Smith did this–Smith’s money. But under your “solution,” I’m now paying Smith’s nephew $7.49 an hour to play video games while I work to survive.

I’m sorry, but your “solution” is riddled with problems. It would not be an improvement upon our current system, but rather would be actually worse.

Yeah…I can imagine companies who were founded only to employ bunch of friends.
They will be doing nothing ang getting 7,49$ from the state.
In fact i think i would start a lot of firm like this;D

totally agree with stranger. if your bottom-end workers cost nothing (1cent for example), why wouldn’t the economy revert to a third-world model? that is, who would pay for a fork-lift when it would now be almost costless to employ hordes of drones to lift heavy objects (pyramids, anyone?). fields could be profitably (from the company perspective) tilled by human labour, but the wealth destruction would be wrought on society at large, and eventually impoverish even businesses who could profit in the short-run from the free grunt.

how about we have a minimum wage law on the books. but the wage is set below the effective rate.

that way we can point to the law, say we’d enforce it. then never have to.

These last few criticisms are correct. I gave it a shot!

i was just kidding :-p