My Jolly old lad Brown!!!

The secret brother of GWB. I am sure the British readers here would be aware of his recent immigration speech. I am just angry at the man and his stupidity,so let me take it out on him. Plus the forum here is vehemently focused on the issues of the USA, so this will be a nice change.

Contradictions ahead:

Population “That net inward migration from both within and outside the EU is not rising but falling – with the annual figures showing that overall net immigration is down 44% on last year.”

It means the market is working, People are obviously not going to come when there are no jobs, keep your hands off and everything will be fine. Bureaucratic controls can only distort costs.

•Rights “The right to stay permanently will no longer follow automatically after living here for a certain number of years … Instead, we have said that after living here for five years, migrants will have to apply to become probationary citizens – and at that point they will have to pass a points-based test.”

Second class citizens. I thought we were all about equality man.

•Stress on public services “Where there are short term increases in the numbers of children at your local school, or patients using GP services, extra resources should be provided.”

The welfare state argument. There is only so much you can give away at someone else’s expense. Would he be willing to introduce one child policy like China if the population growth was white and with British citizenship?

•Security “The measures to strengthen our borders are now more co-ordinated than ever – our new Border Agency, biometric visas, electronic border controls counting people in and out, and ID cards for foreign nationals.”

Need I say more. Nations don’t die, they commit suicide. And Gordon Brown is willing to be the executioner.

And this comment on a related Guardian article:

I didn’t really understand what Brown’s policy was on highly-skilled brown-skinned non-Islamic immigrants.

It seems his ilk are not happy with people who meet the Tier 1 Points based criteria as well.

Does he have complaints about the City choosing to pay me more than the remaining 98 percentile of the workforce ? With my qualifications I’ll get equivalent pay anywhere in the EU or ‘across the pond’.
Does he want the top B-schools to shut their doors in my face, or encourage the market to offer me less pay because I am non-white ?

What riles me is, even though I pay off more than 40% of my hard-earned money in PAYE and NI, I am not entitled to any of the benefits of the state.
Plus I get to hear this tripe about immigrants getting preferential treatment at housing, NHS etc.

Why do I call it ‘tripe’ ?
Because ‘No recourse to Public funds’ on the British Tier 1 visa means the immigrant worker has to rent a house without any assistance from the State; long queues at the NHS means getting a private medical insurance cover like BUPA, and paying for it out of your own pocket, without any assistance from the State;
Yet million-dollar deals won at the market makes British firms richer, British economy richer, and not even a word of gratitude.

The sad thing is most British people are hardly concerned about society or cohesion. Their concern is purely about who gets the benefits. They all want state to stop others and take from others to give them something.

Immigrants are an easy target, but then they will come for you. But in Britain’s case, they already have.

_**http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2009/nov/12/gordon-brown-immigration-speech**_

Gordon Brown does seem to be a suck ass, at least from where I am. When I watch him on CSPAN he tends to come off as so self righteous which kind of freaks me out a little. Do you think he truely believes his policies or do you think he is just a lying politician who is hungry for power?

I find it interesting reading conservative opinion that always seems to blame high welfare expenditures and improperly large government power due to the influx of immigrant voters (who cannot always vote). It is ridiculous seeing that the biggest parts of the Welfare state were implemented during periods of very low immigration in the United States and the United Kingdom.

In my experience immigrants are more entrepreneurial than the “liberty loving” white natives. A good many of the immigrants I know have serious libertarian tendencies.

I think he is a reactionary. He just jumps the bandwagon that is currently on the road. He acts like he believes something but I don’t think he actually does believe anything.

You are generally going to find immigrants are more liberty oriented as most immigrants move to a freer country. But the debate is hardly limited to Immigrants, when you let a whole nation get under cctv, ID cards and a completely intrusive state, you really need a big wake up slap.